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Gothamite
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| Posted on 25-12-2005 11:06 |
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Which elements of the current Batman comic would you gladly jettison or change?
I'll start off with:
COSTUMES:
Lose the spandex (I know it's a nomex fire proof triple weave kevlar armour, but it sure doesn't look that way.) Bring in an all black costume with the glider cape a la Batman Begins.
VILLAINS:
The Riddler (I'd make him a dark and creepy character. Lose the green.)
The Mad Hatter (Nope. Don't need him.)
Poison Ivy (There are two versions of Ivy: Stupid and boring or camp and silly. I choose neither)
SIDEKICKS:
Get rid of Dick and Tim and have Jason Todd in the costume from B&R, minus the nipples (or maybe Phil's excellent redesign of the costume). Don't call him Robin. Call him Raven. Sounds cooler and deadlier.
No need for Oracle. Alfred can do that.
Batgirl can stay coz she's hot.
GADGETS:
Batarangs are fine, but do we really need boom tubes, inter-dimensional portals and invisibility technology? It sci-fi's things up too much for something as believable as Batman.
AGE:
I'm tired of hearing how old and broken Batman is. I want Batman to be in his late twenties and Robin/Raven to be in his late teens.
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TheDarkKnight666
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| Posted on 25-12-2005 21:31 |
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wow...i agree with nothing you just stated...lemme add my thoughts,
Costumes:all black looks very dull on a comic page so the grey and black help make it less dull, and if you put in a glider cape there wouldnt really be any suspense as to how batman would get out of a jam. lets say he falls off a building, whereas in the comics he'd have to find a place to grapple to, swing onto something that could be scaled, lose his grip due to the speed and pray for something else to break his fall now he'd just turn on the glider cape. sure the cape could get burned like in BB but honestly how many times could batman get his cape burned before he decides there isnt any use to it besides being an excellent material to catch flames?
Villains: joker is batmans creepy villain, plus a guy who leaves riddles for batman to solve? you want a guy who has a compulsion with riddles to be extremely creepy? superman or any other hero would have such a HARD time stopping the riddler for sure!
the mad hatter, a guy who could turn the JLA members against batman isnt a threat?
poison ivy, the same girl who got SUPERMAN to fight batman in hush and if not for the aid of catwoman would have gotten batman ROCKED seems to be a worthwhile villain to me.
Sidekicks o you really want to get rid of two characters that gave us alot of emotional batman stories? plus tim is a WAAAAAY better robin than jason todd ever dreamed of becoming so why you'd want jason instead of tim is beyond me. Also get rid of dick? in what way? hes not a sidekick anymore.
Alfred could be oracle? ok FIRST he'd need to be teached all that computer stuff in order to get batman what he needs, second hed need 4 hands, 2 for preparing batmans equipment and fixing up a spare costume and 2 for typing on a keyboard. and about robin being named raven thats just as streamlined and corny as renegade not to mention a guy named raven will be a pretty dark character and batman doesnt need a dark sidekick, he needs a sidekick who can control his anger, tell him when enough is ENOUGH, not someone whos just as crazy as he is.
Gadgets: if not for some of the more sci-fi gadgets how would batman keep up with the jla? i know hes the brains of the team, but when its time to throw down, how will batman take down some major JLA enemies with a batarang? hes got to have some stronger stuff. and about batman being believable...he most certainly may be the most realistic of alot of super heroes due to him having no super powers of his own but...that doesnt mean hes realistic on his own. lets look at batman for a sec k? the guy has mastered 127 martial arts in a couple of years when it takes humans their life times to master a COUPLE of martial arts. the guy has an unlimited supply of equipment( i know i know the money, but wheres he getting his more advanced stuff?) also in realistic terms no man would go THAT crazy when they see a guy in a batsuit....most people would just go...wait...its not halloween yet... also how batman doesnt get discovered is really some grade A comic book horse raddish(family site! no curses!) the guy drops equipement on a daily basis and the cops dont bother taking a batarang or something to try and see if they can track it to somebody(alfred touches some of the equipment when he prepares them, they could find one of his finger prints. bruce touches some of it as well.) so thats my two cents
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| Posted on 25-12-2005 23:50 |
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yea im with DK666 on this. spandex will always look good in comics. dick and tim are awesome characters. jason is kool too, but i dont think hes better than dick or tim. and no oracle? oracle is so nice!
and somewhere up there u sed something about batman's realisticness. u wanna know the realistic batman? DEAD!!
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| Posted on 26-12-2005 13:33 |
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TheDarkKnight666 wrote:
joker is batmans creepy villain, plus a guy who leaves riddles for batman to solve? you want a guy who has a compulsion with riddles to be extremely creepy? superman or any other hero would have such a HARD time stopping the riddler for sure!
Um... have you ever seen BTAS or any of the old Riddler eps of the Adam West show? Riddler was pretty creepy in those.
TheDarkKnight666 wrote:the mad hatter, a guy who could turn the JLA members against batman isnt a threat?
It's funny, because I never said Mad Hatter wasn't a threat. Even Spellbinder from the Silver Age is a threat. That doesn't make him cool or interesting.
TheDarkKnight666 wrote:poison ivy, the same girl who got SUPERMAN to fight batman in hush and if not for the aid of catwoman would have gotten batman ROCKED seems to be a worthwhile villain to me.
Once again, I never said that she wasn't a threat or a worthwhile villain, I said that she was boring.
TheDarkKnight666 wrote:
Alfred could be oracle? ok FIRST he'd need to be teached all that computer stuff in order to get batman what he needs,
The word is 'taught' not 'teached' and secondly, if you read some of the stories from the eighties, or if you have seen Batman Returns or if you have played Batman Begins (I know you don't like it, but you must have played it) you'll see that Alfred is quite experienced with computers.
TheDarkKnight666 wrote:
also in realistic terms no man would go THAT crazy when they see a guy in a batsuit....most people would just go...wait...its not halloween yet...
Well, if you have read Batman comics, or if you have seen Batman 1989, Batman Returns or Batman Begins, you'll know that most of Batman's foes don't know that he's a man. Only his cleverer villains know that. And even if some street punks know that he's a man, at this stage they're not going to try and argue with a guy who has rid Gotham City of corruption, taken down the most lethal villains countless times and has kept Gotham General Hospital busy.
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| Posted on 26-12-2005 14:38 |
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Wow. You weren't kidding about changing Batman, Gothamite. I can see what you mean with most of your thoughts, except the all-black costume. He needs some color in the comic book. As far as making the Batman world more realistic over-all, most of that stuff seems to make sense on a wide scale. It's just that we've been with these classic elements so long, so I'm not real fond of saying that the very name "Robin" is bad.
As far as the smaller touch-ups to the modern Batman go, some writers seem to take the stoic, darkness of his personality a bit too far to the point that he's basically a robot. He can't be polite or use manners and doesn't acknowledge half of what people say when they speak to him. That just gets annoying. I know Miller likes to "gritty-gritty" everything he touches but we don't need to maintain all those extremes every comic book moment.
Don't get me wrong, Miller has done some of my favorite Batman stories, but sometimes his influence on the modern Batman just gets annoying. One of the goofiest lines from Loeb was "Deep down, Clark's essentially a good person. And deep down, I'm not a good person." Golly Bruce, why bother avenging your parents then? Why not enjoy your inherited wealth like the bad person you are?
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| Posted on 26-12-2005 22:32 |
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Gothamite wrote: Um... have you ever seen BTAS or any of the old Riddler eps of the Adam West show? Riddler was pretty creepy in those.
btas? he wasnt too creepy in that...when he made his own toy line and all that jazz i didnt think of him to be too creepy, and by creep i thought you meant TB creepy.
Gothamite wrote: It's funny, because I never said Mad Hatter wasn't a threat. Even Spellbinder from the Silver Age is a threat. That doesn't make him cool or interesting.
the reason i said that was because when you said we didnt need him i thought that he could be a pretty good villain for the JLA to have to handle, since he could make them obey his will.
Gothamite wrote: Once again, I never said that she wasn't a threat or a worthwhile villain, I said that she was boring.
hmmm alot bat fans and people who write the batman comics seem to think she has a pretty good backstory, they also think she is a very interesting bat villain, i think so too.
Gothamite wrote: The word is 'taught' not 'teached' and secondly, if you read some of the stories from the eighties, or if you have seen Batman Returns or if you have played Batman Begins (I know you don't like it, but you must have played it) you'll see that Alfred is quite experienced with computers.
first off i want to say that if you want to be a punk and disrespect me by going the word is taught not teached then maybe you should look at your response to my last post when you said "only his cleverer villains know that" cleverer eh? that sounds like something from the rugrats, try only his more clever villains know that. yes i know alfred knows quite a bit about computers i HAVE played batman begins, i HAVE seen batman returns and i HAVE read some stories from the eighties but there is no doubt that oracle can do SOOO much more than alfred could.
Gothamite wrote: Well, if you have read Batman comics, or if you have seen Batman 1989, Batman Returns or Batman Begins, you'll know that most of Batman's foes don't know that he's a man. Only his cleverer villains know that. And even if some street punks know that he's a man, at this stage they're not going to try and argue with a guy who has rid Gotham City of corruption, taken down the most lethal villains countless times and has kept Gotham General Hospital busy.
...i dont think you understood what i meant by that. get your head OUT of the comic pages for a second, in REAL LIFE no man would see a dude in a big rubber suit like in batman 1989 and go completely and utterly insane ok? if it was me and i saw a dude in that big rubbery suit id laugh pretty hard as well as any other man on this earth. they exaggerate the fear batman instills in criminals in the comics just like the way they exaggerate EVERYTHING ELSE about batman, the 127 martials arts, the taking on people who could crush him with a couple of punches all that good comic poo poo thats why i said in realistic terms as in OUT OF THE COMIC WORLD.
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| Posted on 27-12-2005 13:18 |
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Oy...
Fine, I respect your opinions, but I don't share them. And by the way, in no way am I trying to be a 'punk'. I was fairly sure cleverer was a word, but there you go, it's not.
In the shadows I saw my destiny...
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| Posted on 27-12-2005 15:09 |
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i respect your opinions as well, its not your job to correct my spelling just like its not my job to correct yours, problem solved
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| Posted on 28-12-2005 17:38 |
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well then.
i hope everybodys friends now.
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| Posted on 29-12-2005 14:01 |
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lol. they shud make an ultimate batman; liek how they do in marvel comics. i bet batman wud have an all black suit in it if it ever existed. but then agen...i guess the all star comics are basically ultimates. but the costumes didnt really change.
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| Posted on 29-12-2005 17:51 |
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ultiamtes better than allstar
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| Posted on 29-12-2005 18:34 |
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i think all star is considered dc's ultimate comics line, although im not sure.
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| Posted on 29-12-2005 19:17 |
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still ultimates better than all star
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| Posted on 29-12-2005 19:53 |
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Ultimates is easily better than All-Star. All All-Star did was 'silver-age' a few things up.
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| Posted on 29-12-2005 21:58 |
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thank you gothamite.
if i could chanfe any elemement of batman i would have barbra and dick get married
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| Posted on 29-12-2005 23:53 |
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There's a few things that I'd like to see.
More Harley Quinn, I'm tired of seeing her always underwritten ( and her comic series ended too) I want her to be the star of the show for once, she's totally capable! I mean she has super strength thanks to Ivy, and she's just as crazy as Joker, come on someone make use of her!
ok Harley rant over, moving on,
I don't like how Batman is so body buildery. I really liked in Teen Titans when they saw Tim Drake as the future Batman, I LOVED how he looked (not so much with his personality though). He was still buff, but he was thin. Its alot more beleivable to me that Batman would be thinner. For Superman sure it makes sense, but for Batman I like him when he's a bit more regular sized. (Kinda like how he is in TB, or like I mentioned how future Tim Batman was in TT)
I agree about Riddler, I loved what they did with him in The Batman (as did pretty much everyone who watches it) and I've never liked the effeminate over the top Riddler, I really like the dark mysterious Manson-esque Riddler tha Jeff Matsuda designed.
I'd like a female Robin, and not just a temporary one like when Stephanie took over for that short period of time. There's all these rumors of people changing their hero identities after Crisis, if we ever get a new Robin I'd like it to be a girl. (We have a girl Speedy, give us a girl Robin!)
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| Posted on 30-12-2005 09:00 |
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i was dying when i saw stephanie becoming robin and tim quiting. i was about to stop being a batman fan, but then tim came back. so i was happy.
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| Posted on 30-12-2005 09:02 |
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and i want dick to get married to either barbara or starfire. if he got married to starfire, there wud be really cool kids. if a kid decides to follow his dad's ways, then he wud be a nightwing with superpowers. how cool is that?
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| Posted on 30-12-2005 12:17 |
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still.. barbras cooler plus starfires twice dicks hieght.
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| Posted on 30-12-2005 18:52 |
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Dick and Starfire is a little too much. I would like to see him and Barbara tie the knot though.
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