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| Posted on 29-07-2006 04:27 |
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First, I want to say that I really enjoyed this issue. I normally don't buy comics in single issue form but I did it for Morrison. I love his writing. I love how strange it is and I love the fact that he is able to keep his characters grounded in spite of, or becasue of, it.
and I want to say that I loved the opening. I didn't catch the James Bondness of it, but It's true now that I think about it. I just thought it was a real fun and funny way to start the acr. It was like Grant was thinking, "Hmmm... What's the one thing I should never do with Batman? I know, I'll have him shoot Joker in the face." Now, that would have made me made had it actually been Batman, but it wasn't, and I love it.
As for Joker being able to survive the blast, well, He didn't take a direct hit to the head. If you look at this wound, you can make out that the damnage is done to his mouth. That says to me that he saw the shot coming and tryed to pull his head out of the way. While a shot to the face like that will mess you up, it won't kill you normally. He's going to have to have his face put back together, but he'll live. (and I'll be honest, when we see him again, he'll probably be fine, and no one will make any mention of it. while that is kind of cheating, hey, it was fun to watch him get shot.)
I really don't think that Joker could have survived for as long as he had without learning how to take a bullet.
So All in all, I like it and I want to see what's going to happen next. (I mean, come on, Ninja Man-Bats. You cant go wrong with that.) |
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| Posted on 30-07-2006 21:12 |
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This all sounds interesting!
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| Posted on 30-07-2006 23:33 |
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Drunken Fist wrote:
TheDarkKnight666 wrote:
i like michael turners art, im especially fond of his art in the early batman/superman comics. i think he does a great batman
Yeah, I know he's popular, but I can't stand to even look at his art. Beyond's signature makes me cringe. 
Turner's art is not for everyone, that's for sure, but we can't always have Lee can we?
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Nate
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| Posted on 17-08-2006 16:57 |
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Here is a preview to Batman & Son part 2:
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Aug06previews/aug23rd.html
You don't get it, boy... this isn't a mudhole... it's an operating table.
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And I'm the surgeon.
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Nate
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BATMAN #656
PLOT:
While Bruce is meeting a lovely Jezebel Jet at the art museum (that is showing off comic book art), the ninja Man-Bats attack forcing Bruce to change into the caped crusader. With the battle ending with a draw, the father meets the son.
REVIEW:
Ninja Man-Bats is what you get from this book. From the battle, its very interesting. The art is fine and its nice seeing Batman using the knowledge of bats (since he lives with them) against the man-bats. Basically the whole issue is Batman vs. the Ninja Man-Bats.
In a quick note, I wonder if the New Earth is the reason why we have actual comic books of the DCU heroes in the DCU. I maybe wrong but that never happened before.
Two things from Talia and Batman's son: the son is named Damien. If that sounds familar, thats the name to the kid in "The Omen" thats Satan's son. Does this foreshadow the future of the son? Maybe. Damien may sound like "demon" but its not that. There is also a Christian saint of the third century see Saints Cosmas and Damian whom healed people and asked for no money. Another example is Father Damien of Hawaii, who died while establishing leper colonies there another saint figure. Hell, Damien is also the first name of Father Karras in The Exorcist.
So the question is; why is he named Damien and does this reflect the future of the character? Is it because since Damien is like demon, and thats why he is still the heir to Ra's Al Ghul "The Demon's Head"? Or is it because its somewhat related to bats, which are symbols of sorts to evil, like an evil version of Batman, or maybe its saying he will be a good guy (kid) and take over the Batman mantle from his old man and not be like whom he was the heir for. Either way, we ahev to wait and see.
Also, Talia I thought was gonna like on the same page as Batman in future issues but she seems to be more in like her father. She says they will meet in the future so thats another reason to wait and see.
Overall, the issue was all about the fight with the Man-Bats. Besides that and Batman meeting his son and his name and the question of what that means, that was it. A standard rating of "7" fits well. Not bad, not great, just ok. But I will say still get it, its still needed story-wise. I want to see how Robin takes this in the next issue.
RATING: 7/10
You don't get it, boy... this isn't a mudhole... it's an operating table.
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And I'm the surgeon.
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| Posted on 26-08-2006 12:13 |
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The fight scenes really showed off Kubert's skills. It is too bad that in Hush Lee did not get to do a big fight with Batman against a big pile of enemies, but this is the next best thing.
I was a little disappointed that they didn't use Ibn al Usafych for Batman's son since that was the name used in the Kingdom oneshot. It is arabic for "Son of the Bat." I am pretty sure that Damien is supposed to be a take off of demon, but with Morrison things could take a big turn in the next issue.
The issue is great because the fight is just so well done. Also, for you guys who want your Batman to have no mercy he holds no bars against the Ninja Man-Bats.
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| Posted on 18-09-2006 11:04 |
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Wizard Universe has an interview with Grant Morrison about the current arc and his next story in Batman. Click above to check it out.
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| Posted on 27-09-2006 14:49 |
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BATMAN #657
PLOT:
Batman brings his son home to Gotham City and introduces him to both Wayne Manor and the Batcave and Alfred and finally Robin, which Damien doesn't sit well with.
REVIEW:
Not that Part 3 is out, we'll close to the end of Batman and Son. We knew, not from the solict nor the cover of #657, that Damien would have a problem with Robin. Its all because Batman has seen Dick Grayson, Jason Todd & Tim Drake has his own sons. Now that he actually has one, Damien sees Tim Drake as someone who is not needed, and Damien feels he has every right to be Robin. Once you add Damien with his League of Assassians tactics, it starts getting tough.
We were introduced to oen time villian The Spooker in this issue. I say one time since.....well, for those you haven't read this issue I won't spoil. But the funny things was Damien in the Manor with Batman. Damien wants his sword, wants a labtop, hates the manor, and after he throws the food Alfred gave him, Batman (covering most of the panel with Damien in whats left of it) yells "PATIENCE is a virtue". By that, Damien stops, says "Yes, father" and doesn't move. That'll teach 'em. So that was funny.
Overall, with the end of this arc being set up, we have: Damien in Gotham, his rivary with Robin, and what he did and what he will do as his own new Robin will not sit well his his Dark Kngiht father. I wonder who will be sacrificed?
RATING: 7.5/10
You don't get it, boy... this isn't a mudhole... it's an operating table.
(crack!)
And I'm the surgeon.
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| Posted on 27-09-2006 15:15 |
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The real question.. is he really Bruce's son??
I mean, we're still not sure if Helena is Bruces, so would he have two offspring???
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I already......well maybe I did'nt......Helena is not Bruce's son. Damien is still said to be Bruce's son and relates back to "Son of the Demon". So Helena's father is not Bruce, as for who it is. Its Sam Bradley.
You don't get it, boy... this isn't a mudhole... it's an operating table.
(crack!)
And I'm the surgeon.
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| Posted on 27-09-2006 18:44 |
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woah there!!!
do we see another robin in the family?? i just hope tim isnt out of the picture, which i doubt will happen. but i wonder if there will be 2 robins. or maybe even a batboy, lol.
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| Posted on 27-09-2006 18:48 |
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Nate wrote:
I already......well maybe I did'nt......Helena is not Bruce's son. Damien is still said to be Bruce's son and relates back to "Son of the Demon". So Helena's father is not Bruce, as for who it is. Its Sam Bradley.
I didn't read the comic, but I know from various forums, that they IMPLIED it was Sam, that is not the same as ACTUALLY being her father.
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| Posted on 28-09-2006 05:54 |
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that issue sounds great can,t wait to read it, that book is one of my favorite Batman Books.
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| Posted on 03-10-2006 10:20 |
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This was another fun installment. I don't anticipate a Robin change or a Batboy being added to the mix. I am pretty sure that we can expect Damien to be removed from the picture in the next issue.
I can't say that I will miss him. I am not big on the bratty characterization that he has. He is pretty nuts almost like he spent too much time in the Lazarus Pit.
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Darknight wrote:
I can't say that I will miss him. I am not big on the bratty characterization that he has. He is pretty nuts almost like he spent too much time in the Lazarus Pit.
That's a good way of putting it. Personally, I despise Damien. Not because he's badly written - I think the overall arc was done very well, and this issue was no exception. Like you, I just dislike the bratty, disrespectful nature of him, and look forward to his comeuppance.
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beyond wrote:
Nate wrote:
I already......well maybe I did'nt......Helena is not Bruce's son. Damien is still said to be Bruce's son and relates back to "Son of the Demon". So Helena's father is not Bruce, as for who it is. Its Sam Bradley.
I didn't read the comic, but I know from various forums, that they IMPLIED it was Sam, that is not the same as ACTUALLY being her father.
I read it, and read what was written on DC's site, but it is still implied. We do not have a totally conclusive answer.
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| Posted on 16-10-2006 12:19 |
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Wizard Universe has a brief interview with Grant Morrision about upcoming things in the Batman title. Click the link for the full interview.
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BATMAN #658
PLOT:
Coming to the batcave, Batman helps Robin with his wounds. Damien says he only has done what he was taught to do. He ends up helping Batman with where Talia is. There, she makes an offer to Batman.
REVIEW:
Well the final part (well maybe the second to last final part) of this arc is here. The reason why I say second to last is because the next one, where the Joker will return, seems to be the finale. Ever since I started the arc, I seem to lowing the rating issue by issue. Was it bad? No really, it was just that this is one of those stories that you would have to read the whole thing to get the final rating. So while again this maybe the second to last issue of the story, I'll still do this and give my overall for the whole arc.
In this issue, we were told about Talia's motive behind the scenes. At first I thought she was going to be with Bruce by the end of the arc with Damien, and that would leave off the path for him and Tim to get along. As it turned out, it wasn't the case and Talia has become more like her father. Her plan was to have Batman join her with their son to rid of the world of evil like her father, or in her mind: a love story of her and Batman. And if he refused like always did, she would kill herself, Damien & Batman together. The Ninja Man-Bats were just "there" to get Batman to where she wanted him.
In the last issue, Damien did a bad thing for Robin fans as he took down Robin, nearly killing him, and appeared with his Robin costume. Now in this, Batman didn't do anything to him to "teach him a lesson". He was angry (he would have to be) but I think he didn't do anything to him because of where Damien was born from. And when Batman went to save Tim's life, that must've shocked Damien and know that there was a miss. Then he started to become okay. I ended up thinking "well if he can do that with Batman, add Robin into that and you have double trouble Robins" (corny, I know). I would like him to come back. I know many thought he was annoying, or wanted him dead, but I see something in him that would be nice to expand in a next appearence. I saw that in the end where Talia was speaking her intentions that Damien was seeing something was a miss, was wrong. So if he were to come back, I would like him to be with Batman and know, and learn, what is normal than what he lived. And improved the relationship between him and Tim Drake.
BTW, I like Damien's Robin costume (I still love Tim Drake/Robin's OYL costume) because, and it must be because its sorta similar to Smallville's Green Arrow costume, but its sorta like Batman's cowl. Where the addition of the hood with the mask helps out covering the head thus hiding his identity. I like that.
There were some themes, some homages, connections, that I saw with this issue and the whole arc. For one thing was the son theme between Tim Drake and Damien. Tim Drake represents Dick Grayson and Damien may represent Jason Todd. Whereas Tim and Dick are the Batman that was the crimefighter and knew what was the right thing to do even in the dark city of Gotham. Jason and Damien are like Batman if he decided to take the law into his own hands and become the kill and the evil that he fought. This could be proven in the fact that Damien uses Jason Todd's Robin costume to create his own. In a way, if Batman can't save Jason Todd from waht is he, at least he could save Damien from what he could become.
I forgot to mention that another Silver Age element was in this issue. Batman has a new vehicle: the BAT-ROCKET! Yes, the one where he can go to space in. It surprised me, and surprised Damien.
Overall, this issue was good. It had its moments and we got a surprise or two. Again, while it may seem my ratings for each issue seem to say the arc is bad, its not. You just have to read the whole arc as one. And again, it seems the next issue is the finale as it deasl with the Joker's return. So, good issue and I hope Damien returns.
ISSUE RATING: 7/10
OVERALL ARC RATING: 8/10
You don't get it, boy... this isn't a mudhole... it's an operating table.
(crack!)
And I'm the surgeon.
- Batman - The Dark Knight Returns
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Nate wrote:I forgot to mention that another Silver Age element was in this issue. Batman has a new villian: the BAT-ROCKET! Yes, the one where he can go to space in. It surprised me, and surprised Damien.
The Bat-Rocket is a Villian???
In the Silver Age, it was a Vehicle: http://www.batmanytb.com/bios/gadgets/batplanebio.php
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| Posted on 08-11-2006 21:11 |
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My mistake. Yes, its a vehicle. Not a villian. I fixed it.
My mistake. BIG MISTAKE.
You don't get it, boy... this isn't a mudhole... it's an operating table.
(crack!)
And I'm the surgeon.
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