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bluebeettle22
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| Posted on 11-09-2006 18:55 |
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today is the fifth anniversary of the people who died on the World Trade Center and Pentagon terrorists attacks, i think we should have a space to remember them.
Martin Luther king was born in a separated world, full of racism, fear, terrorism. He had a dream of a world united, a dream he never saw acomplished. His words inspired millions but still there are people full of hate in their hearts, Hitler kill a lot of people, blacks, gays, jews, etc. But I ask you Why? Why the world is full of people like that, God created us because he wanted to create someone who could love like him, he gave us the most precious gift of all...FREEDOM. Somepeople take advantage of this freedom to kill, steal, violate, etc. If God trust us our freedom then why the people do bad stuff. There was upon a time a lawyer named Peter Backer, he took a shower, eat his breakfast and say good bye to his wife and his kids. He went to the World Trade Center and lthen he saw a plane coming and nothing else. I'm talking of an imaginary guy but just think that it really occurred why an innocent man died, hundred of innocent men and women died and they have nothing to do with that.
Jesus died for love and even he is not visible we can feel him, and his teachings live through us, and in our memories rest in peace the people who died five years ago"
I hope these words inspire you people to write a post or something
EDIT - I updated your post Blue Beetle, and I agree. Please post your memories and thoughts.
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Razhwurz
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| Posted on 11-09-2006 19:15 |
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world trade center and twin towers terrorists attacks
I believe you mean "World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks", as The World Trade Center was The Twin Towers.
Yeah, it's depressing, I send my prayers to thows who lost loved ones on 9/11 and the war that followed.
A few months ago I was in a city and decided to figure out how big the towers really were, I never had a chance to visit them so I had no idea of how big they were. So I'm in this city and I look out the window and see this huge building, I decide to see how many times I have to multiply that one building to get the height of The Towers. That was the first time I realised exactly how big that incident was; I knew was huge, but I didn't know it was that huge.
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bluebeettle22
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| Posted on 11-09-2006 19:20 |
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sorry i wrote it wrong
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bluebeettle22
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| Posted on 11-09-2006 20:39 |
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dont worry beyond i think is sad that to say that there are only one person well two that are interesting in these stuff, i will never forget that i lived in new york that day i was talking with my friends on the high school yard when we saw the second airplane crash it was horrible
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Chris
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| Posted on 11-09-2006 20:55 |
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Beetle.. I don't think it's that there isn't anyone that cares, but perhaps, they feel they don't need to share, and thats ok too.
I'll never forget, I was working at the hospital, in the Inventory Supply area when we heard about the first.. then the second. It seemed to unfold so fast, we were all in disbelief. I remember driving home, it was so clam, but as I drove, you could see three jets flying over, Air Force One and the two fighters. That was pretty neat, yet scary.
It's a day that I will always remember.
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| Posted on 11-09-2006 22:27 |
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Theres a song called "The Innocent" and its by Goldfiner, Good Charlotte and Mest, if ya haven`t heard of it its about Sept 11 and if ya download it its a touching song. Or if not just look up the lyrics cuz they put a lot of meaning into it.
"Look, I never wanted this for myself...but I wanted Batman and Robin back together the way they should be. And if Dick won`t become Robin again...Someone else has to!" - Tim Drake, A LONELY PLACE OF DYING Chapter five: Rebirth |
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bluebeettle22
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| Posted on 11-09-2006 22:36 |
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thanks for the info
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Guano King
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| Posted on 11-09-2006 23:01 |
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Those words sure do inspire me to post. My thoughts on 9/11 are best expressed with the following image of hope.
I certainly hope this is not a religion-biased website, as I'm a Batman fan as well as the rest of you. But that, of course, is beside the point of this thread.
Soon following the events of September 11th, 2001, many Americans prayed to their god for help during such troublesome times, and for protection from further attacks. Ironically, they were praying to the exact same god that religious fundamentalists attacked our country in the name of.
Many other Americans made a different decision after September 11th. We've known for hundreds of years that religion is outdated and unncessary, but many enjoy it anyway for the comfort it can provide. Sure, religion can be comforting for those who need it ... but following the events of September 11th, many of us Americans have realized that religion is a double-edged sword; a comfort of which the world can no longer afford.
There's no need for me to write an essay on the topic. My thoughts are matched and supported by the following article regarding American atheists from MSNBC.com:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14638243/site/newsweek/
My thoughts and considerations are with the victims of the September 11th attacks. But prayers are a whole 'nother story. One of my favorite quotes of all time: "Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer."
"An Atheist loves himself and his fellow man instead of a god. An Atheist knows that heaven is something for which we should work now - here on earth - for all men together to enjoy. An Atheist thinks that he can get no help through prayer but that he must find in himself the inner conviction and strength to meet life, to grapple with it, to subdue, and enjoy it. An Atheist thinks that only in a knowledge of himself and a knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will help to a life of fulfillment.
Therefore, he seeks to know himself and his fellow man rather than to know a god. An Atheist knows that a hospital should be built instead of a church. An Atheist knows that a deed must be done instead of a prayer said. An Atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death.
He wants disease conquered, poverty vanquished, war eliminated. He wants man to understand and love man. He wants an ethical way of life. He knows that we cannot rely on a god nor channel action into prayer nor hope for an end to troubles in the hereafter. He knows that we are our brother's keeper and keepers of our lives; that we are responsible persons, that the job is here and the time is now."
- Madalyn Murray-O'Hair
"No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God."
- George H.W. Bush
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I beg to differ about religion. I am myself deeply catholic but I have my own thoughts as well. I don`t think its religion that starts it all, its the interpretation. I have an arab uncle who is a citizen of the US and is always telling me that the koran doesnt say anywhere that its ok to force harm upon others and that all those terrorist orginaizations are looking at their own religion the wrong way. There are people out there living in the US that follow the middle eastern religious ways but still post an american flag in front of their house and in no way is it contradicting. As for the quote about an atheist, I never read an interpretation like that. Usually anybody I hear about these days who consider themselves atheist aren`t for that reason stated in the quote. They dont do anything to help their fellow man, they just plain dont want to follow any type of religion because they feel like they have better things to do and nine out of ten times its only something that they can benefit from and not anybody else. But if one were not to be religious and still help his fellow man out then thats just as good!
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Chris
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There are plenty of members here who are Catholic, Chritsian, Atheist, or somehting. I am a Christiabn, I grew up one, I've seen the power of Prayer. But this site is not a place to debate religion. Period. Two things actually, should not be debated, politics, and religion. While I do not agree with your post Guano King, you have ever right think and feel the way you do.
But please, no more talk about how the World needs to be religion free.
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Caleson
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Tim Drake wrote:
I don`t think its religion that starts it all, its the interpretation. And there are thousands upon thousands of them - some moderate, some extreme. Not to be play devil's advocate (no pun intended), but that still makes it the reason. And I'm not sure we should be saying "Most Athiests/Catholics/whomever that I know are like ____." It can't account for the whole organization and will just build up more heat. I wouldn't doubt for a minute that some people wrongfully use Athiesm as an excuse to be a slob, but at the same time, I could easily talk about the Catholic kids around here that, on a nightly basis, get drunk off their asses and just confess it away the next dayin church. But again, we'll just leave all that be.
So considering the initial "God fearing" questions by bluebeettle22, I'm okay with Guano King's follow up to that. Christians could get annoyed at Hinduists talking about their elephant god, Athiests could get annoyed at "Why would God let this happen?" remarks, and religious folks could get very annoyed at Athiests challenging what they've been raised with. My point is, we don't really need talk of any of those beliefs on here, so those two posts seemed to balanced each other out and leave it at that. As far as I can rememeber, I've never stated my philisophical beliefs on here, and don't plan on doing so.
Now, back to 9/11, is it true that bin laden released a new video for the 5th anniversary? I know he's a terrible human being, but he's becoming sort of a cheesy supervillian to me, especially after that rip on Valentine's Day.
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bluebeettle22
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| Posted on 12-09-2006 15:33 |
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yes caleson he put a video of him preparing to the attacks
he is an evil man god! he is evenn proud of killing those people
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Razhwurz
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| Posted on 12-09-2006 16:43 |
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I disagree with you Guano King, most people who harm others in the name of religion are using as a scape goat or to give them self a rightious position that other men will look up to and follow without question. If we removed religion from society they'de just find anouther way to gather followers.
And religous people aren't the idiots squabling for hope that you seem to believe they are; I believe in God, but I don't believe he'll just fall out of the sky to help me; I have to help my self and work using my own efforts. If I can't exept my way of life in my own eyes, then it dosen't matter how God looks at me.
It's easy to generalize like you do, "Muslims are all satanic villians who worship death and destruction as a god. Black people are just a bunch of criminals who want to currupt society. Homosexuals are trying to stop life as we know it by currupting the sexual egomass and turning us all gay, thus destroying reproduction." It's easy to say these things, and easy to believe them, so how do we learn what is correct and what is opinion? That's exactly how, we have to learn. We've got to stop barying our heads in the sand and actually pay attention to the world around us. If we all harbor a grudge for prejudice, then how will we find peace.
I believe that the best way to peace is to get over our selves, get past beliefs like Guono King's; learn to accept each other's religons, ethnicities and customs. Destruction leads to destruction, if we destroy other peoples way's of life, then more destruction will befall us.
Think about it, no religon, no culture, no diversity, no ways of life beyond what world leaders say is true. Sounds a lot like dictatorship to me; I seem to remember a certain austrian dictator causing one of the bloodiest wars in history to create the world you preach, a world without diversity.
Never start with the head; the victim gets all fuzzy!
R.I.P. Heath
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| Posted on 12-09-2006 18:00 |
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I was working next to the Kenneth Keating Federal Building in Rochester, NY when the terrorists hit on 9/11. I had to leave around 1 p.m. or so because of fear that the building in Rochester might be hit.
One year later, I was returning from my last trip to Bogot?, Colombia. It was not pretty, since 208 Colombians died at the World Trade Center. And I have many as friends/girlfriends.
Religion can be an issue. But I think there is more to this situation that that. It is too complex to discuss in a message board thread. FYI, not all Arabs are Muslims, and I know. My late ex-wife was Greek Orthodox, and she was Palestinian. Many Arabs are Christian (Greek or Roman Catholic), such as Jamie Farr and Marlo Thomas. One, Paula Abdul, is Jewish.
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Razhwurz
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| Posted on 12-09-2006 18:46 |
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I was at home when on 9/11, my mom was watching a T.V. show when it was interupted by the news of the attacks, we were in such disbelief; I still remember everyone in the room was wondering "Is this real". It was like walking around in a nightmare, everthing was still, even the wind seemed to stop; and I still can't get beyond wishing there was something I, or anyone else, could have done to stop thougs attacks.
P.S. Catfan, I never implied that all arabs are Muslims, I was mearly stating the prejudice against Muslims.
Never start with the head; the victim gets all fuzzy!
R.I.P. Heath
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Catfan
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P.S. Catfan, I never implied that all arabs are Muslims, I was mearly stating the prejudice against Muslims.
Oh, I understand. And there is plenty of prejudice against Muslims. Those in North America are having a harder time since 9/11. Those in Europe are really isolated, not part of their country. Difficult situation.
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bluebeettle22
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| Posted on 12-09-2006 19:32 |
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that is so unfair i mean why for one or two people everybody else screw up, that's why i was talking about on the speech
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Guano King
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| Posted on 12-09-2006 20:22 |
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Razhwurz wrote:
It's easy to generalize like you do,
I didn't generalize.
Razhwurz wrote:
We've got to stop barying our heads in the sand and actually pay attention to the world around us.
You mean burying? Either way, who said anything about burying their heads in the sand? This is silly.
Razhwurz wrote:
... get past beliefs like Guono King's; learn to accept each other's religons, ethnicities and customs. Destruction leads to destruction, if we destroy other peoples way's of life, then more destruction will befall us.
Whoa, talk about sensitive. Beliefs like mine? When did I say religion should be outlawed? Sure the world would be a happier place if it was never made up, but that it should be outlawed? I certainly never said that.
Talk about sensitive!
I'm out!
MR. FREEZE RULES!
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Caleson
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| Posted on 12-09-2006 20:42 |
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How did I know this would happen...
Razhwurz, you're making way too many assumptions about what he said. And the idea that religion is the absolute essence of all culture and diversity is simply foolish. This is swerving off from the point. Guano King was being pretty direct and made a statement that's impossible to say without making people angry, but he didn't say any of those things you interpreted. Now let's leave the whole religion aspect be and stick with 9/11, shall we? Notice he didn't egg anyone on with his reply either; he just defended himself modestly. So again, let's end it before it becomes flamming.
I'm a bit curious how progress is are going in Afganistan... Hilary Clinton was on Larry King Live the other night talking about how she can't believe bin laden's not been caught yet. Made me realize that they don't seem to talk about it much since there's so much focus on Iraq anymore... Unless you had some direct involvement with 9/11, it's hard to talk in this thread without religion or politics getting in the mix.
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Razhwurz
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| Posted on 12-09-2006 20:57 |
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I just think the world would be worse off without religon because it's one of the most fundimental parts of many cultures.
And what would the removal of religon do? Think about the wars of the past, how many of the wars fought in the name of religon weren't actually someone with a holy postition, I.E. Pope, Pharoh, King etc., using a God's name to gain power?
Remember World War II, Hitler managed to kill millions and cause world-wide turmoil using only patriotism as an excuse.
Even if we got rid of religon, people will always find an excuse to start wars.
Quano King: Whoa, talk about sensitive. Beliefs like mine? When did I say religion should be outlawed? Sure the world would be a happier place if it was never made up, but that it should be outlawed? I certainly never said that.
That's exactly what I'm talking about, you automaticly assume God dosen't exist, you don't even have the enough respect for others to even accept the possibilty that God exists. I accept the possiblity that he dosen't exist, even though I think it's highly unlikly.
Never start with the head; the victim gets all fuzzy!
R.I.P. Heath
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