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A_Spidey_Fan
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| Posted on 13-09-2006 01:02 |
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I remember that day. I didn't hear about it until about 10:00a.m. when I arrived at my college after going out to a store to get some stuff I need for my classes. 1 of my friends came up to me and told me about how the World Trade Center had 2 airplaines clash in, as well as the Pentegon and the 1 that crashed in Pennsaylina and I thought that it was either a bad rumor that someone made up(Cause it seem very unbeleviable, and add in the fact that we live in the age when more people can even makeup news or release false reports or footage that may look believiable), or something were seriously worng with airplanes that day(Like a curse or something). As the day went on and I went to my classes, I heard about a whole bunch of stuff like "Terrorists did it" and stuff like that. I didn't see the footage of the WTC until around 1:00p.m. or 2:00p.m. when I went the recreation section of our college and saw on the big screen the news reports and how they keep over playing the footage again and again, and I just couldn't believe what I was seeing.
Needless to say, the events of that day did affect me, as I was worry about the world I was living in at the time(And still do once and a while from time to time since 9/11/2001), although in retrospece, I may have be a bit too "Dramaic" about how I felt, only because I felt kind of helpless and what not. At the time, I wish I could somehow actually go to NY and help out(Maybe even has superpowers), eventhough I couldn't really do anything except maybe do stuff like sign petitions, donate a bit of money, and what not. I do sometimes think that 9/11 is sometimes over hyped at times. I mean, I do think we should remember, but sometimes it just seems so over hyped and what not. As well, I can understand why it's a touchy subject in T.V. programs and movies and what not, but still, I don't think they should be boycoatted and what not, because sometimes those can actually help, as it gives a sense that we're ready to move on, but never forget. As for any conspicery theroies that have come out since, well, some may have some merits or truths, others don't, and others are just too damn crazy or silly to not even bother with(Not getting into details about this). But whither there is or isn't, reminds to be seen, however people shouldn't get confused or forget the fact that many died, regardless if there is or isn't any.
As for the whole religon thing going on in this fourm, well, I think religion is important to people for those who believe in it or follow it, just as not believeing in religion is important to those who don't follow religon. Religon is part of history, and it does help people find peace(Course, there are those who don't beleive but still find some sort of peace as well). It's a belief that can help, so long as it's not being used for personal gain. Of course, it also helps if it's a religon that doesn't believe in killing as well(Like any that saids it's okay to kidnap and kill people or childern for sacurfices cause their Spirits or Gods said it was okay to do so).
I know that there are some people out there who use religion or God/Gods(Whatever you believe in) for their personal purposes of getting what they want and to get their point across(Weither it's political, racial, prejudge, racsial, etc), and they will twist it anyway they can to do so. Some will even use it to win arugements. This can get very tricky relgions share the same God/Gods and similar teachings. However, it should be noted that while some will follow this leader's "Master Plan in the name of their religon", others won't if they can see that something is serously wrong with this master plan. For example, if the Pope were to 1 day say it was alright for Christens to go and murder anyone who isn't Christen, is Gay, and that they aren't "True Christens" if they don't, I wouldn't do it cause (a.) it's against the 10 Commenments, and (b.) it's against God's and Jesus's teachings of love, and thus would be a sin that I could never live with(Thus my butt would for sure be in Hell). As well (c.) I would just use plain common sense, and the guilt would stop me even if I were about to do it. I would though assume that the Pope was currupt or under the influance of someone or thing.
I may follow a religon, but I respect other peoples beliefs, because we live in a diverse world with different beliefs. I don't force my relgion on others either, however, if someone was having a personal problem, and I know a belief in my religion that my help, I will maybe mention it to them and say "Accoriding to my Relgion..." and that may help. And getting rid of religon won't solve problems, nore stop anyone wacky leader from suckering people into his/her "Vision of a perfect world". Getting rid of relgion may even cause more problems, ranging from the fact that people no longer have morals or guides, and what not. People, regardless of the relgion they believe in or don't or none at all, need to learn tolerance, understanding, and love(Some form of love being what most religons believe in anyways). At the sametime, Relgion shouldn't be used to divide us as well, for if it does, it becomes known as a form of Hate. And it shouldn't be used an excluse to kill people(Even if it's 1 that saids it's alright to kill a kidnapped child or person for the sacfirce of their Gods. As for personal sacrifices or sacrifice determined by voting within a group, I don't quite know how I feel about that, but I do think it's strange). People, should already have a strong good sense of what's right and wrong anyways(And killing, regardless in it's form or reason, is pretty much always wrong). I believe we should learn and try to understand different beliefs and relgions, even if they are so different from each other, and learn from them as well, not get into a debate on who has the better relgion and what not, nor allow it to divide us. We are all people, and we all live in 1 world.
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RE: 09 11 |
Caleson
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| Posted on 13-09-2006 02:37 |
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Thanks for sharing, Spidey_Fan. I found out about the attacks during my art class. We thought it was an accident at first, and I think we actually saw the second one hit live. I admit, I didn't really realize the severity of the situation at first. I had that feeling of wanting to help, too, and it was quite an environment. Firefighters to this day are suffering breathing problems and even collapsing dead due to the toxins they inhaled during that rescue five years ago.
A_Spidey_Fan wrote:
There are some people out there who use religion or God/Gods(Whatever you believe in) for their personal purposes of getting what they want and to get their point across(Weither it's political, racial, prejudge, racsial, etc) Kinda like how the president was quoted and filmed telling people that God speaks through him and that God told him to end tyranny in Iraq. It's obvious that modern politcs are getting very nutty, and I'm not even that knowledgable on them.
Bush: God Told Me to Invade Iraq
A_Spidey_Fan wrote:
Getting rid of relgion may even cause more problems, ranging from the fact that people no longer have morals or guides, and what not. Well now, that part about having no morals isn't exactly fact. Rather, it's a natural part of the human condition to at least have some fundamental morals and values. Many psychologists believe that humans' central compassion for one another comes from the survival instincts of our ancestors (i.e. protecting and nurturing children and mates). But as we've seen in varying cultures and living conditions (i.e. institutionalized fear, child abuse, abandonment, etc.), values can be heavily influenced or distorted for the worst. And when you think about it, that's the down-the-line reason why we have this memorial thread to being with: suicidal maniacs.
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Razhwurz
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| Posted on 13-09-2006 15:28 |
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Caleson: And when you think about it, that's the down-the-line reason why we have this memorial thread to being with: suicidal maniacs.
Are you suggesting that the terrorists who hijacked the planes were maniacs? They were no differant than the soldiers Bush has sent to the middle-east, brainwashed in to thinking that the murder of others will help the world somehow. Thoughs people that we are killing in the middle east are almost the same as the people we sent to kill them, the only differance is that if they're not fighting under somone they've been brainwashed into thinking is Gods voice, then they're being forced to fight for their leader. And Bin Laden is no differant from anyone else who's faught a war "In God's name", he's just using the political postion of "speaking for God" so that he can gain enough power to fight for power or a grudge.
Never start with the head; the victim gets all fuzzy!
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bluebeettle22
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| Posted on 13-09-2006 16:13 |
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Razhwurz said :Are you suggesting that the terrorists who hijacked the planes were maniacs? They were no differant than the soldiers Bush has sent to the middle-east, brainwashed in to thinking that the murder of others will help the world somehow. Thoughs people that we are killing in the middle east are almost the same as the people we sent to kill them, the only differance is that if they're not fighting under somone they've been brainwashed into thinking is Gods voice, then they're being forced to fight for their leader. And Bin Laden is no differant from anyone else who's faught a war "In God's name", he's just using the political postion of "speaking for God" so that he can gain enough power to fight for power or a grudge.
they are MANIACS everybody who fights in war( without fighting for a GOOD reason like freeing ourselves from the english people,)are MANIACS, i mean why do ya need killing innocent people uh?
why
I ask to you my friends is there any need for somebody to kill?
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Razhwurz
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| Posted on 13-09-2006 16:28 |
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BlueBeettle22, just because someone has been maipulated or forced into fighting dosen't mean they're insane; if the "war on terror" escalated and we were all drafted into the army, would that make us maniacs? You've got to understand that here in America we have the choice to fight, but the soldiers that our country kills for "freedom" are people who have been forced or manipulated into fighting.
The American revolution was all about money, we didn't want to pay taxes, that in our defense were unfair, so we decided killing thousand of people was a clever tax dodge. Not to mention the people who came to America had already murdered hundreds of thousands of natives and brought thousands of African slaves from their homes and families to live a life with no rights or dignity.
Never start with the head; the victim gets all fuzzy!
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bluebeettle22
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| Posted on 13-09-2006 16:45 |
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then why do you say that bin laden is not a maniac eh?
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bluebeettle22
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| Posted on 13-09-2006 16:49 |
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[img]http://mx.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0Je5aaSbghFCiAASnLO8Qt./SIG=12uhp84p3/EXP=1158266898/**http%[/img]
do you think the man who made and organized this was not a maniac
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Razhwurz
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| Posted on 13-09-2006 17:01 |
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Bluebeetle22: then why do you say that bin laden is not a maniac eh?
I never said Bin Laden wasn't a maniac, I'm saying the soldiers manipulated by him and the soldiers sent to mureder those soldiers aren't maniacs; remember you said everyone who fights in a war is a maniac.
Bluebeettle22: everybody who fights in war( without fighting for a GOOD reason like freeing ourselves from the english people,)are MANIACS
Never start with the head; the victim gets all fuzzy!
R.I.P. Heath
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bluebeettle22
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| Posted on 13-09-2006 17:59 |
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yes but not mean EVERYBODY i meant the ones who just killed by killed
and the guys that are control by Binladen like you side i dont think there are control 'cause humans have something named WILL.
and if the hijackers that destroyed the WTC werent maniacs what were they?
i remind you that 2,973 died and another 24 remain listed as missing.?
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Razhwurz
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| Posted on 13-09-2006 18:40 |
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Bluebeettle22: yes but not mean EVERYBODY i meant the ones who just killed by killed
and the guys that are control by Binladen like you side i dont think there are control 'cause humans have something named WILL.
and if the hijackers that destroyed the WTC werent maniacs what were they?
i remind you that 2,973 died and another 24 remain listed as missing.?
First, please use puncuation so I can understand what you're saying.
Second, As I said before, the people who work for Bin Laden don't have a choice; the ones that carried out 9/11 were probably no less a bad person than you or me, they were just brainwashed by Bin Laden's propaganda. And a lot of his soldiers have two choices, fight for him, or be exacuted as an infidel.
Here in America we celebrate our victory in World War II, but did you know that in that war we droped atomic bombs on two Japanese cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki; not only desimating both cities, but killing roughly 214,000 civilians in the process. Not just men, but also women, children, elderly and new born babies. And did you know that only about 74,000 died from the initial blasts? 140,000 died slow, painful deaths of radiation poisoning.
And I assume you believe that the people who dropped those bombs had the free will to go back, but they didn't because they were brainwashed by anti-Japanese propaganda.
The alternative to the atom bombs would have been an invasion of Japan, and in their already planned strategy only 50,000?150,000 Japanese civilians would die, and most of the casualty would have been soldiers; but it was decided that it was better to murder a city full of people than to let American soldiers die.
Never start with the head; the victim gets all fuzzy!
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Chris
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| Posted on 13-09-2006 18:41 |
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Okay.. what was SUPOSE to be a thread to REMEMBER those that died , and what happened as gone out of control. I didn't ask for anyone religous belifes, or if anyone was crazy.
Fact. Bin Laden and his group did suicide attacks on the US in the name of their god.
Fact. They did it because they hate America and what we stand for.
Fact. This thread is now closed.
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