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Etrigan
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| Posted on 24-07-2006 08:54 |
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I've been told in no uncertain terms from a member here that teen titans is out of continuity with the rest of the Timm universe, because of Robin, and his age, identity etc. I thought that by the BTAS and TNBA timelines that Dick Grayson would have been Nightwing by the time of TT, so the only explanation would be that the Robin in TT must be Tim Drake. And another thing that backs me up, besides the fact that the TT Robin's costume resembles Tim Drake's more than any other Robin's, is that in one episode Batman and Robin (Tim) make an appearance in Static Shock. Then later in the series, the 7 main members of the Justice League appear in Static Shock, and when Static asks Batman where Robin is, he replies "He's with the Titans now."
I also argued that it is in the same universe, because when Speedy appears in JLU, he appears EXACTLY how he does in Titans East.
Now, I realize that The voice of Robin in TT (Scott Menville) is the same voice of Tim Drake, in Rise of Sin Tzu at least. There is far too much evidence to state that TT runs alongside JLU, and maybe Gotham Girls too, to say otherwise, at least in my eyes. I know that Dick Grayson was the Teen Titans Robin classically, but since when have the cartoons run side-by-side with the comics?
I'm not after a fight with this thread, I'd just like to see some hard evidence to the contrary.
I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing that the timeline runs as:
Batman The Animated Series
The New Batman Adventures/Superman The Animated Series
Static Shock
Teen Titans/Justice League/Justice League Unlimited/Gotham Girls/Lobo
Batman Beyond/Zeta Project
I don't just wanna be told I'm wrong, I wanna be told I'm wrong with evidence. Or that I'm right 
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Nate
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| Posted on 24-07-2006 11:09 |
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TT is in its own continunity and not connected to any of the other universes.
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Darknight
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| Posted on 24-07-2006 14:04 |
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Nate wrote:
TT is in its own continunity and not connected to any of the other universes.
I think that he was looking for a bit more of a dialog rather that just one statement.
I haven't really seen much of Teen Titans, so cut me a little slack about the facts. It is my understanding that Bruce Timm was not involved with Teen Titans, so that is a bit of a strike against it.
Sure the animation style is different, but so is the style of the first episodes of Batman: TAS and JLU. I would even say that there is about the same amount of difference between Batman: TAS and JLU as either of those shows and Teen Titans. So, based on the animation it could fit in.
Unless the member that told you that it is seperate is one of the continuity maintainers of DC animation, I would think that you can put what ever you want in the same universe. I have yet to see any direct conflicts between the shows.
I personally could never get into Teen Titans so I don't consider it part of the same series, but that is to justify me not buying the series sets to go with my other ones.
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Chris
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| Posted on 24-07-2006 15:02 |
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No.. TT is not part of the "Timm Verse"
That goes:
BTAS
TNBA
STAS
BB
JL
JLU
Then we have The Batman and Teen Titans. I beleive that Legion Of Superheroes is on it's own as well.
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crisis
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| Posted on 24-07-2006 16:08 |
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Darknight wrote:
[quote]Nate wrote:
TT is in its own continunity and not connected to any of the other universes.
I think that he was looking for a bit more of a dialog rather that just one statement.
I haven't really seen much of Teen Titans, so cut me a little slack about the facts. It is my understanding that Bruce Timm was not involved with Teen Titans, so that is a bit of a strike against it.
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look in the credits again. timm had something to do with it.
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Etrigan
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| Posted on 24-07-2006 16:27 |
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Bruce Timm was both Producer and Executive Producer for Teen Titans.
He is quoted as saying that he wasn't planning to do any crossovers as the differences in style would be too noticable. That's all. |
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Chris
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| Posted on 24-07-2006 18:50 |
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He might have produced it.. but that does not mean that it has anything to do with the other shows.
I'm not sure why it's so hard to understand that TT is it's own show. It has nothing to do with the rest of the DCAU shows.
Lets look at it like this...
Robin IS Dick Grayson.
Speedy appeared.. but wait.. he also appeared in the last season of JLU
Kid Flash was voiced by Micheal Rosenbum.. yep, the same one that voices Flash in JL/JLU
So, how can this connect? It can't. It's a show all by itself.
The Batman is a show, all by it's self
AS far as we know, LOSH will be a show, all by itself.
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ROBOTRON
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| Posted on 24-07-2006 20:43 |
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Man...there just too many elseworlds out there. Its confusing sometimes.
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spencer1984
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| Posted on 25-07-2006 08:56 |
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I guess I look at it this way:
If you want to consider them seperate universes, go ahead. If you want to assemble all of the series into one universe, that's fine too. There are continuity errors within individual universes that we have to deal with anyway, so as long as there are no glaring contridictions (i.e. Robin is Tim Drake on one show and Stephanie Brown on another show), feel free to put them together so that you can get the most enjoyment out of the shows. After all, you're watching them to be entertained, right? If you think it's more fun to consider Teen Titans part of the JLU universe, go for it (heck, you could call it a future version of the TB universe if you really wanted to).
That said, since the creators have said that the two series do not exist in the same universe, it can't be considered canon. It would be your own interpretation of the DCU, which we all have to do to some degree (some people like the brutal DKR version of the DCU, others prefer the campy sci-fi adventures of the 1950s and 1960s).
For example, I collect Transformers. Thanks to a host of copyright issues, some of the characters' names have been changed over the years to new (and sometimes rather ridiculous) names. If I'm talking to a family member about a figure in my collection, I'll use the "old" name. If I'm talking to other people who wouldn't be familiar with my random naming convention, I stick to the "new" names. Technically, my calling them by their old names is incorrect, but it works for me. |
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Darknight
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| Posted on 25-07-2006 10:00 |
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I understand alternate universes in cartoons just the same as in comics. I am saying that there is little to no conflict between the series that they could exist in the same reality. If that is true, then in his video collection he could group them together (I am weird, I put my related movies in a continuity order).
I don't want to being any arguements. I just think that with these little things like this things should not be taken as absolutes. I am not really that informed about the Teen Titans cartoon, so I am no where near qualified to make an arguement.
I am glad that they said on the show that Dick Grayson was Robin, that at least concluded that overly passionate discussion.
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Caleson
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| Posted on 25-07-2006 15:12 |
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I believe I was the one who told Etrigan that Teen Titans isn't part of the Timmverse. I think it was in a BTAS thread...
http://batmanytb.com/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=9&thread_id=1334
Darknight wrote:
Sure the animation style is different, but so is the style of the first episodes of Batman: TAS and JLU. I would even say that there is about the same amount of difference between Batman: TAS and JLU as either of those shows and Teen Titans. So, based on the animation it could fit in. Well now, TNBA and STAS were a slight restylization, as was Justice League. Teen Titans, however, is on an entirely different level with its strong Anime inspiration. I dunno about you, but I've never seen Batman or even Flash get huge red cheeks with zig-zag lines when he's embarassed or suddenly have their chin dissappear and get a gigantic, Looney Toon mouth when yelling. The Timmverse 'toons have always maintained a real-world style where as TT regularly features a comedic, Anime expressionism. That's not opinion; it's just fact.
spencer1984 wrote:
If you want to consider them seperate universes, go ahead. If you want to assemble all of the series into one universe, that's fine too... After all, you're watching them to be entertained, right? If you think it's more fun to consider Teen Titans part of the JLU universe, go for it (heck, you could call it a future version of the TB universe if you really wanted to). Exactly. That's what I said in my post that started this discussion. A lot of people like to consider it apart of the Timmverse and even though, technically, it isn't, you can try and fit it in your own way if that makes it more enjoyable. Teen Titans has it's good points and I don't mean to bash it by proclaiming that it's not part of the Timmverse.
*Engage bashing* But I personally can't stand Looney Toon expressions on my favorite DC characters, so I like to ignore it as part of the more serious and sophisticated Timmverse. They couldn't even use the name "Deathstroke," and I don't believe the Justice League fights for "Truth, justice, and the last slice of pizza."
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Darknight
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| Posted on 25-07-2006 17:27 |
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spencer1984 wrote:For example, I collect Transformers. Thanks to a host of copyright issues, some of the characters' names have been changed over the years to new (and sometimes rather ridiculous) names. If I'm talking to a family member about a figure in my collection, I'll use the "old" name. If I'm talking to other people who wouldn't be familiar with my random naming convention, I stick to the "new" names. Technically, my calling them by their old names is incorrect, but it works for me.
Your entire post negated mine, but bringing up Transformers really caught me. I have hated that they have had to change the Transformers names, I also prefer stick to the classic names.
As a related aside, when I was thinking about this whole related but not related thing, I remembered a couple of appearances in the comics that made Transformers exist in the same reality (note I did not say universe) as Batman. Both have appeared with Spider-man. So it could be argued that they all are in the same continuity. Alternate dimensions, but the same continuity. So someone thinking that Teen Titans exists in the same continuity as JL, did not seem too unreasonable to me.
I am sorry to have drug out a non-issue out this far.
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spencer1984
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| Posted on 25-07-2006 19:55 |
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Why? I like reading all of the different interpretations of the DCU 
You know, I totally forgot about that but you're right: Spider-Man appeared in issue #3 of the original TF comics, and Batman & Spider-Man have had at least one crossover. I know Marvel went back and said that issue #3 was a mistake, and that the TFs were not part of any existing continuity, but it doesn't change the fact that it existed at some point. It's like playing six degrees of Batman.
Sorry, didn't mean to negate anything - I agree with everything you said (especially the first line). |
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Chris
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| Posted on 25-07-2006 20:18 |
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There was a TF and GI Joe crossover..
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