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that would need a lot of movies.
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exactly,plus it would be crammed with characters,i think they should just have oracle,no robin or anyother side kick
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batboy99 wrote:
exactly,plus it would be crammed with characters,i think they should just have oracle,no robin or anyother side kick
Yeah it would be alot of movies, but I can dream, can't I? 
I like Oracle, but there isn't a way to make Babs only Oracle. She has to be Batgirl first, or you have lost all the reasons why Barbara Gordan bacame Oracle.
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my story would go like this:barbara is about 17 or 18 and knows that batman and her dad work together,in some way,she figures out who batman is and makes a costume(batgirl)bruce knows who batgirl is,but barbara doesnt have the proper training for batgirl,so she becomes oracle and assists batman,maybe in the future she can become a full batgirl
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ya i know it sucks,i just made it up along the way
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batboy99 wrote:
my story would go like this:barbara is about 17 or 18 and knows that batman and her dad work together,in some way,she figures out who batman is and makes a costume(batgirl)bruce knows who batgirl is,but barbara doesnt have the proper training for batgirl,so she becomes oracle and assists batman,maybe in the future she can become a full batgirl
That could work, but I'd perfer Batgirl then Oracle.
What's wrong with sidekicks? Yeah, they're stupid when they make them stupid, like in the old shows and comics, but that's because they were written stupid, and only to appeal to kids. They can be written better!! I sort of liked the way robin was written in the movies. Could have been better, but I think Nolan could write the "sidekicks" alot better and more interesting. I think it's usually their puns and cheerful attitude while getting beat up by some bad guy that probably makes them irritating to people. But I don't think that is how Nolan would write them.
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if they are dark like batman then ya,i would pic batgirl over robin
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Actually Robin could work very well if you moderniz his history. Here's how I'd see the side kick plot lines working, it's in the form of a second trilogy which would take place after a lone-wolf trilogy.
Robin: A Sixteen year old Dick Grayson, who was orphaned during Al-Ghul's attack on Gotham, has been training for the last seven years and is now ready to become a vigilanty. After aquiring some equipment, he goes out in search of Scarecrow; who he believes is responsable for the attack on Gotham which claimed his parents lives. During this time he becomes a protector of the Narrows, and is given much attention by the media, the police, and the Batman.
Eventually Dick finds and confronts Scarecrow, who is currently holding Barbara Gordon hostage. He manages to save Barabara, but is unable to defeat Crane. Having been be sprayed by Crane's toxin, Dick nearly loses his life, but is saved by Batman; who recommends he stop his vigilantism while he's alive. However, Dick continues to chase after Crane, and Batman realizes that he can't stop Dick from going dow this path; but he can help him along the way.
Batman reveals his secret to Dick and takes him in; teaching him in the ways of the ninja and giving him high-tech gear. After Dick accepts the mantle of Robin, the two go out and take down Scarecrow.
Batgirl: Two-years after the last movie, Barbara Gordon has emerced herself into the vigilanty fanbase. She meets Dick Grayson at a party, and she recognizes him as the vigilanty who saved her from Scarecrow; After doing some research Barbara finds out that Dick moved in with Bruce at the same time that Robin joined Batman. After finding out their secret identities she trys to get closer to Bruce and Dick. Over the next few months Barbara and Dick develop feelings for each other.
Eventually there is a break out from Arkham Asylum, and villians begin rampaging through the streets. Barbara realizes that Batman and Robin need help and dawns the disguise of Batgirl. She gets in over her head and is nearly killed, but she is saved by Robin and brought to the Batcave for medical attention. She then convinces Batman to train her, much to Robins resentment, as he believes that she has more of a choice than he and Bruce had.
The trio then fight the various criminals that escaped, and all goes well until Batgirl gets overzealous and takes on the Joker by herself. He beats her to within an inch of her life and shoots her repeatedly in the stomache; while her body armor saved her life she lost the ability to use her legs. Robin goes on a rampage aganst the Joker, he almost kills him but realizes he'd be no better than him if he did; and he realizes that most of his anger is toward Batman and not the Joker. He then discards the mantle of Robin and goes off soul searching.
Nightwing: Three years later. After becoming Nightwing, Dick chases a villian back to Gotham, where he once again has to work with Batman and Barbara; who is now Oracle.
I'm sorry if that was poorly typed, I'm coming down with the flu and my cognative abilities are not 100%.
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cool ideas, i love it!
if only nolan had a change of heart. he dislikes robin...bale doesnt like robin either.
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I don't know if I'm 100% sure I'd like Robin or Batgirl either. The problem is that they sacrifice one of Batman's most important aspects; his solitude.
I like the idea that Batman will stand on his own so that no one else need sacrifice their lives. He also is quiet and dark, but add a sidekick and he just becomes a... Guy.
But the other problem is that I like Robin and Batgirl, so I'm searching my mind for ways that we could have all thoughs characters together without sacrificing features from each of them.
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i like batman being a loner,but i want atleast barbara even w/o batgirl or oracle
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I like your story idea Razhwurz. I'd make robin and batgirl college age. It's less annoying for batman to be helped by adults, rather than kids.
With Barbara's story, I think maybe instead of her becoming batgirl, because she's some fangirl, maybe because she hates Batman. Gordon devotes all his time to Batman, and Babs lost her parents before, and now she has lost Gordon to Batman. Maybe she becomes Batgirl more because she thinks that is the only to gain her father's love and attention. And when she first meets Batman, she would be mad at him, and try to fight him.
I don't know, I'm tired and I'm just pulling this off the top of my head. But it would give her a darker story I guess.
I like the idea that Batman will stand on his own so that no one else need sacrifice their lives.
I think Batman is protecting them, by training robin and batgirl, instead of letting them go on their own, and getting themselves killed.
He also is quiet and dark, but add a sidekick and he just becomes a... Guy.
He can still be quiet and dark with batgirl and robin, because he'd be really tough on them, so they don't want to risk their lives by doing what he's doing. It's not like he's having sidekick try-outs!!
I think the worst part about adding robin and batgirl, is that it might take away from the screen time on batman in the movie. Which is what happened with Batman & Robin. They spent so much time on robin, batgirl, and the villians, that batman was just another character... but Nolan would never do that.
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Batgirl Wrote: He can still be quiet and dark with batgirl and robin
He can; but more often than not he gets written as the mentor when they add sidekicks, when he should still be the hero.
The best ways to change the past mistakes is to show Bruce's flaws, keep him from become a secondary character and to never shift the focus from him; keep Robin and Batgirl in the spotlight, but make sure they share it.
One of my favorite concepts of adding sidekicks to Nolan's films would be seeing the contrast between Bruce and Ducard. It would bring intresting confliction to Batman if he notices that he is very close to becoming what he hates the most, but through training Dick and Babs he realizes that he is spreading a new kind of vigilantism that buries the cruel ideals of the League of Shadows.
Batgirl Wrote: I think maybe instead of her becoming batgirl, because she's some fangirl, maybe because she hates Batman.
Actually my concept has her becoming Batgirl she realizes that Batman and Robin are overwelmed and wants to help out; the fangirl story ark is just an explenation of how she will be deep seeded in the vigilanty system by the time she becomes Oracle.
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robin must have the death of his parents,unless i missed it in your story
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i'd love to have robin in batman begins.
robin complicates batman's life. he failed to save dick's parents, and at the same time, he sees himself through dick. so he would try to make robin a better version of himself...thats the way i see it.
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this has turned into a robin thread man!anyway who would u cast as robin and batgirl you must say someone for batgirl,after all its a batgirl thread lol
batgirl-alexz johnson
robin(young)Liam Aiken
old-Phil Diffy
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batboy99 Wrote: robin must have the death of his parents,unless i missed it in your story
You did miss it, it was in the first sentance.
I Wrote: A Sixteen year old Dick Grayson, who was orphaned during Al-Ghul's attack on Gotham,
batboy99 Wrote: who would u cast as robin and batgirl you must say someone for batgirl,
I'm still thinking, unfortunatly no one who I could choose now would fit the roles in seven years (When my concepts would be made) unless their 8-10 years old now.
Maybe Gus Lewis and Emma Lockhart will look the parts and have acting chops in seven years. Yeah, I'm joking; I really can't think of anyone.
P.S. Gus Lewis and Emma Lockheart played 8 year-old Bruce and Rachel in Batman Begins.
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i think that kid would have been a good robin,but it would be weird,him as bruce and robin haha
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batboy99 Wrote: i think that kid would have been a good robin,but it would be weird,him as bruce and robin haha
And of course they would need a nine year old to play him in the flashbacks to his parents' deaths; so in a way he'd come full circle. He started out as Bruces younger double, and then he himself gets a younger double.
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if the movie were to be made now, i'd say Ashley Leggat, shes a good actress and she looks like batgirl, specially the one from the batman
i dont actually think batgirl will be in any movie, specially soon. but i hope she will, i also really like your intro for her Razhwurz |
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