I thought since Batman 3 rumors all over the place, or would if this thread wasn't posted. So if you have any rumors/ideas please post here.
Remember, nothing stated here is confirmed by Warner Brothers, however Christopher Nolan and David S. Goyer are claiming to be working on a script.
Please do not post your cast ideals, you may do that in "My ideal casting for future movies..."
My villains for this film would be either (from most wanted to least)
Riddler (detective who works with writer Vicki Vale as Edward Nashton to figure out the secret identity of the Batman, secretly he is Edward Nigma, a man with mild OCD and is obsessed with the problems Batman had started with the police as well as Harvey Dent's past which he is forced into believing is his own *two personalities, one is Harvey Dent*)
Black Mask (mid 30s, mob boss, black hair shown through mask, mask melted onto his face in a fire which the edgy Harvey Bullock had set to get him out of the house and surrender)
Bane (a realistic mob boss from Europe with an adrenalin venom, would wear mask on fights with police and the Batman, and some dealings with Maroni's or Thorne's mobs)
Penguin (realistic mob boss, mid 40s, two personalities, one as Oswald who claims to be the real, original personality but the true original personality is Penguin!)
Ventriloquist (creepy, pervert, mid 40s, contacts police through a TV using Scarface, possible two personalities)
If I had any other choices it would have to be... no, not Catwoman, suprisingly I think Man-Bat could work well with a third film. I mean, he would work as a scientist having to do with bats for Wayne Enterprises and could suddenly be mutated into Man-Bat at the ending of the film. I would choose Mad Hatter but his whole thing is mind control....
"Things are always going to get worst before they get better."
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TMMWrites:
Penguin (realistic mob boss, mid 40s, two personalities, one as Oswald who claims to be the real, original personality but the true original personality is Penguin!)
CAPS LOCK
OMG! P..P...PENGUIN! M...M..MY...OZ...OZZY...?*HUGS SELF INTO OBLIVION AND THEN FALLS OVER FROM EXCITMENT*DO YOU REALLY THINK...? OMG! I..I..I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK!
*goes into coma...gets CPR from Penguin...comes to a minute later*
THANK YOU OZZY <3
@TMMWrites - I heard that Riddler "might" be the new villain for the 3rd Batman movie...it hasn't been confirmed but he is the most likely of canidates. But if Ozzy gets picked too....I definitely want to play his LOVE INTEREST in the 3rd Batman movie ^ _ ^
Hello Gotham. I'm Erin. Ozzy Cobblepot's Biggest Fan. Love you Pengy!
Betcha never, betcha never, betcha never thought we'd get this far.
Betcha never, never ever, betcha never thought you'd touch my heart.
Betcha never, betcha never, betcha never thought I'd surrender.
Betcha never thought you'd ever get with me.
I betcha never thought of that.
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Posted on 27-05-2009 17:38
Posts: 29 Location: North Tonawanda, NY Joined: 11.11.08
With Rachel dead, and the whole Harvey Dent going crazy thing, I'd imagine Bruce is in a very dark place right now. The whole point of Robin, when he first showed up, was to be the light of Batman's dark, and add a touch of cheerfulness to stop Bruce from going over the edge. So if you ask me, now is the perfect time to include Robin in the series.
A lot of people seem to be against Robin being in the Nolanverse, but I want it to happen, if it's done right. They should take cues from Dark Victory, like how they took ideas from Long Halloween for Dark Knight. Robin should be a kid, like in the comics, and he shouldn't actually be in costume until the last 15 minutes or so of the movie. Before that can focus on his backstory, his anguish, his wanting to help, etc etc to give him more realism. If it's what they did in Schumacher's movies, with an adult going "Dang, my parents died. I'm gonna dress up now!", of course it'll fail again.
Robin's an important, and in my opinion awesome, character who needs to be more recognized and liked, especially now that Dick Grayson's the new Batman. The Batman movies should be focusing more on him, because nobody's really done him right.
Oh, as for villains, I'd go with Black Mask. All of the big mafia people are gone thanks to Joker and Two-Face, so who better to take over the mob scene than the man who, in the comics, rules over it? Plus, Nolan said he wanted to work with villains who hadn't been on screen before, and Black Mask suits that too. Mafia people are even the ones who killed Robin's parents, so he could even tie into Robin's story (if they include him).
Edited by Cyfin on 27-05-2009 17:41
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Posted on 27-05-2009 18:59
Cyfin wrote:
With Rachel dead, and the whole Harvey Dent going crazy thing, I'd imagine Bruce is in a very dark place right now. The whole point of Robin, when he first showed up, was to be the light of Batman's dark, and add a touch of cheerfulness to stop Bruce from going over the edge. So if you ask me, now is the perfect time to include Robin in the series.
They should take cues from Dark Victory, like how they took ideas from Long Halloween for Dark Knight. Robin should be a kid, like in the comics, and he shouldn't actually be in costume until the last 15 minutes or so of the movie. Before that can focus on his backstory, his anguish, his wanting to help, etc etc to give him more realism.
Robin's an important, and in my opinion awesome, character who needs to be more recognized and liked. The Batman movies should be focusing more on him, because nobody's really done him right.
I COMPLETELY agree. I know I've said this before but yeah everyone's against robin but I know Nolan can make it right. especially with the situations Cyfin just addressed. With everything that happened, Bruce must be in some serious spiral. Enter the ray of light Robin! and doing it with cues from Dark Victory is really the only way it will work in my opinion.
"Batman to all points. I can use some air support. Since I can't fly. At all.
.......................Now would be good."
Edited by Chris on 27-05-2009 19:03
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Posted on 27-05-2009 20:42
I would love to see Robin like how Cyfin described it, although, I would like to see him 14 or 13 years of age. And his suit would be like the suit that Phil drew on the April Fools update.
Here is something I posted on another website about the Robin franchise, mainly focused for the Nolanverse.....
The art files I listed are all done by myself but they are kind of old. They arn't colored. My first link for Richard's Robin suit design has a body suit (fire/water proof) under it which is used for the black arms and legs. All the dark red chest armor (bullet proof part) is, is a tank top connected with the crouch era. Kind of like Batman's suit in Batman Begins if you remember him opening the cabinets. I will post art from others soon. For me here is the Robin franchise:
RICHARD GRAYSON
AGE: 14 (at his parents' deaths), very tall
Black hair down a bit below his ears, skater hair look
RELATIONSHIP: n/a. last girlfriend killed by a man known as the riddler. this made him act darker like batman after his parents were already killed by zucco in the circus (after falling).
ORIGIN:
Tony Zucco, crime boss, hated the man who owned the circus's main attraction, the Flying Graysons (Richard Grayson's parents), and argued with him. he took revenge and made him humiliated after he hired people at the circus (Ricahard's few friends since he was home schooled at that time) to loosen the bolts in the ropes which made the Grayson couple fall and die instantly. Then after being with Bruce Wayne for a week, figuring out what to do with him since he was doing this because of pity, they heard on the news that Rebecca Sumson, Richard's girlfriend, was killed by a man who had left a riddle. The riddle/clue was related to Zucco in some way as well as Richard Grayson... it was a warning that Richard was next! Bruce Wayne started to use Richard as a mini Alfred and taught himself the ways of Bruce's many computer systems in the mean time. The fact of Bruce Wayne being batman slowly blended in and was not rationalized because of Richard's depression. Richard worked in the cave under Wayne manor which was simple. he helped batman through a Bluetooth and computers. He began to go to Thomas Wayne middle school and got bad grades because of his depression. After working with batman through computers he got better grades. He later stole a suit from Lucius fox which was another prototype. He spray painted the suit a dark red. After Bruce found him doing this at one in the morning down in the cave, he went along with what he was saying and didn't care. He told him: my mom use to call me the red robin... not anymore. He said this out of anger as he spray painted the chest dark red (see art work for design/s). Bruce found Edward Nashton, a detective and friend of his own as batman in GCPD. Edward was working on a case to figure out who batman was. He was working with writer, Vicki Vale. Batman figured out his many aliases and tracked him down after he had figured out and threatened to release the name of batman to Gotham. Riddler hacked into the computers of the batman. Richard, in danger after a fire from sparks of the computer in the cave, drove with Alfred to Wayne Enterprises where they set up a system like the cave with Lucius fox. Richard Grayson took his suit he had created out of storage at the basement in Wayne Enterprises where he had put it earlier. He, now better at computers than Alfred, went off and tracked down Batman as Lucius and Alfred stayed at the basement. It soon turned out that Tony Zucco was working with Riddler to kill many Gothamites to warn the Falcones and the Maronis that there was a new criminal generation! Soon, after figuring out the case of the Grayson murders, Richard never goes back to the circus. He begins to live like a young Bruce Wayne/Batman as a playboy, a genius, and the hero Gotham has always needed! He works alone half the time while a quarter of the time he is just Richard Grayson and the other quarter? That's for the Dynamic Duo to answer!
Jason Todd was caught trashing Wayne Enterprises after running away from home a year earlier. Jason Todd does not know his mother and wait-- Who was he caught by? And where in Wayne Enterprises? He was caught by Lucius Fox in the basement. Jason had figured out the true identity of the Batman. He ran away from Lucius after he called up Bruce Wayne. Jason sent videos of him telling Bruce that he will blackmail him hif he goes after him. He also tells him tools he needs. Jason Todd is soon caught by Bruce Wayne after he is hit by a car. Jason Todd was given to the police and was sent to the station. Bruce Wayne figured out that his memory was gone. Jason had no hope of finding his mother (father killed by a gang), nor anything else. He had no purpose. Bruce Wayne adopted him and talked to Jim Gordon which started their relationship as normal humans and not a Batman/police type of relationship. Later, after Jason was taught many skills by Bruce, he became the new Robin after Richard had become a cop in Blue Haven' which he also became Nightwing in after visiting Ra's Al Ghul and being trained there.
After two years, Jason Todd found old tapes that he sent to Bruce before he lost his memory. He figured out his past on the computers... Jason Todd ran away with the Robin suit. He then faked his own death in an explosion caused by the Joker. Batman didn't go after Jason because he believed he was dead..... But he wasn't. Jason Todd had found his mother in Blud Haven' and killed her after finding out she had become a criminal. Jason Todd avenged the criminal name she was given by the media for wearing a red helmet, the Red Hood. Jason went back to Gotham and fought as Red Hood. Jason was later killed by Black Mask. The only achivement Jason had done in his life was finding his mother... Jason never had hope.
"Things are always going to get worst before they get better."
[Alfred Pennyworth]
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Posted on 27-05-2009 21:51
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I disagree on how you would have Dick portrayed. You say he's darker like Batman, and listed all sorts of things pointing him out to be just like Batman in a lot of ways. That's not what Dick was brought into the comics for. I'd keep him 12 years old, like he was when Batman took him in, and I'd keep him cheerful and optimistic and youthful. His whole purpose was to provide light to Bruce and keep him from being overly dark. He was the one cracking jokes and jumping all over the place in a colorful suit, to contrast Batman's quiet anger and darkness. To have an angsty Bat-clone at Batman's side would be the complete opposite of what Dick's purpose was.
A lot of people seem against having a little kid in a colorful suit in the Nolanverse, but if I had my way, he'd be a kid, and he'd have the colorful suit. I think the youth and the colors are a nice way to show his character. Just in looking at the two of them together, you can see that Robin must be more cheerful and energetic than his mentor. And Bruce needs all the help he can get in that regard. Though, I'd make Robin's costume have pants. The whole bare-legged thing just screamed "Bats is a pedo", heh.
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Posted on 27-05-2009 22:25
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Okay...I just totally took this movie in a new direction!
Plot # 1: Riddler being the main villain. And Dr. Langstrom being a smaller focus.
Plot # 2: 12 year old Dick Grayson being taken in by Bruce and being trained to become Robin.
Plot # 3: A SOME-WHAT SMALL ROMANCE PLOT between myself and Oswald.
DON'T GLARE AT PLOT #3 OR I'll CRY!
Hello Gotham. I'm Erin. Ozzy Cobblepot's Biggest Fan. Love you Pengy!
Betcha never, betcha never, betcha never thought we'd get this far.
Betcha never, never ever, betcha never thought you'd touch my heart.
Betcha never, betcha never, betcha never thought I'd surrender.
Betcha never thought you'd ever get with me.
I betcha never thought of that.
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Posted on 28-05-2009 03:25
Yeah, Robin should just show up at the end wearing his circus costume, which is basically the Robin suit minus the 'R'. I like the idea of the big boss' gang on the run from the cops, stumbling across the Batcave, and using it for shelter. Dick, obviously defending his territory, dons his Robin costume, takes more than a belt-full of Bruce's weapons, and drives them out when they realise that they can't deal with a loada gas pellets n ish comin from nowhere.
When Batman arrives on the scene, he'll obviously take care of em all except the one guy who has him in an awkward spot, but little acrobatic Robin disables the guy quick enough for Bats to take him down.
Realising the huge potential in the kid, Bruce agrees to train him. However, from there on out, it should be a case of "oh and btw, the training's gonna take up the next five years of your life, coz I ain't runnin round out there with a 12 year old kid flutterin round like a damn fairy".
Everybody wins.
THE KING IN YELLOWOL 4 ADMIN!!!
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Posted on 28-05-2009 04:06
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Jeph Loeb is probably my favorite Batman writer. I've loved everything he wrote, though I wish he was paired with Jim Lee, my favorite artist, more. Hush was like...the perfect writing/drawing combo for me.
A plot 3 movie, with a romance between Penguin and Erin, eh? I might watch it. There'd probably be nose-biting and baby-drowning involved...but that's the best kind of romance, right?
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Posted on 28-05-2009 16:42
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IDEA: PLOT #3: Romance between Me & Ozzy
@ Cyfin and DarkKnight32692 - LOL! You guys are awesome!! BTW...when I said ROMANCE between myself and Oswald...I meant...how do I say this discreetly...kissing...leading to making out...leading to...WELL...IMPLIES A WHOLE LOT(WINKS!)
I will take your advice DarkKnight32692, I'll get a copy of Dark Victory for the movie. I also want to get a copy of BFTC for the movie as a design lay out and maybe use some other comics Ozzy is in as a personality and character status for the movie.
For the trailer of the movie...I'm thinking...t.A.T.u.'s song "All About Us for the back ground music. The song Betcha Never by Cherie will be for the music video after the movie comes to theaters.
Phillip Seymour Hoffman and Danny Devito will PROBABLY or MOST LIKELY be taking turns being Oswald, as I see both of them in the role. I will be playing the role of my Batman-character, Erin Knightly, as I am the only one who is capable of doing so.
Movie will most likely be three hours long. As the first twelve minutes are about Erin and Oswald's lives (idea from Batman Returns) and then it time jumps to the present.
Oswald will own the Iceberg Lounge, as I liked that from the comics. The story detail re-tells how Erin and Ozzy met, etc. Oswald will be "The Penguin", as an added bonus of their "secret romance".
The movie will end with Erin sitting on a roof top, her back to the Bat-signal. Erin is smiling and then the camera zooms in on Oswald, who turns to look over his shoulder at her and smiles back.
Completely leaving a cliff hanger or something close to a cliff hanger as movie Fades To Credits.
Minor but still very important appearances by Bruce Wayne (Batman), Selina Kyle (Catwoman), Harvey Dent (Two-Face), Commissioner Jim Gordon, and Dr. Jonathan Crane (Scarecrow).
The movie's sound track will also include:
- I'm Only Me When I'm With You by Taylor Swift
- Bleeding Love by Leona Lewis
- I Get Weak by Belinda Carlisle
- Fly by Hilary Duff
- Betcha Never by Cherie
- Bring Me To Life by Evanescence
- Can't Speak French by Girls Aloud
- All About Us by t.A.T.u.
It's all I can think of right now...sounds like a good movie though. Some of the songs on the sound track will be incorporated into the movie too.
Hello Gotham. I'm Erin. Ozzy Cobblepot's Biggest Fan. Love you Pengy!
Betcha never, betcha never, betcha never thought we'd get this far.
Betcha never, never ever, betcha never thought you'd touch my heart.
Betcha never, betcha never, betcha never thought I'd surrender.
Betcha never thought you'd ever get with me.
I betcha never thought of that.
Edited by Erin Cobblepot on 29-05-2009 23:42
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Posted on 30-05-2009 14:55
I have a theory - Joseph Gordon Levitt is one of those up and coming actors with some real good acting chops. A lot of people have compared him to Heath Ledger actually.
Well, anyway, Levitt is going to be starring in Nolan's next movie. I think this is Nolan's try-out for Levitt and if it works out I bet JGL is going to be stepping into Heath Ledger's shoes as the Joker in Batman 3.
If anyone could do it, it's him.
"Yes I do believe there is a violent thing inside of me."
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Posted on 30-05-2009 17:06
Val Kilmer or Johnny Depp could be The Joker as they filled in for Heath's character in the last film he was working on. I could see a Joker cameo like they did with Scarecrow in TDK.
Otherwise Penguin and his Iceberg Lounge as a mob hangout is a good start for the next bad guy.
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Posted on 30-05-2009 20:57
Actually, it was Johnny Depp, Jude Law and Colin Farrell that filled in for him. The film is called The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus.
And I would love to see Depp as the Joker. He'd give honor to Heath plus bring his own version to it.
As for the Mob, I agree Penguin is a good start. I'd also like to see the Bertenelli Family. It'd be a neat throw in for fans to at least mention their deaths.
Im not sure who to expect as the villian in the third movie. I remember reading somewhere that nolan wanted to introduce villians that havent made it into a batman movie yet. But it could have been a rumour. They might pull a Hugo Strange "Monster Men" like story. That might be cool. Im not sure.
They have to introduce a new girl character, so I'm wondering if it's going to be a vicki vale like character or catwoman or something like that
I hope they have wayne manor rebuilt in the next one so the batcave exsists
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Posted on 31-05-2009 17:13
Posts: 395 Location: New Hampshire, usa Joined: 23.12.08
I've read that somewhere too. Nolan didn't want to use any of the big villains that usually get the spot light. But...I'm sure they'll use someone everyone will like so the fans don't cause a riot. But after Heath's performance...it's going to be hard to fill those shoes. So they're going to have work extra hard for this movie.
But I'm crossing my fingers for The Riddler.
So far they've used:
- Ra's Al Ghoul - Batman Begins
- Dr. Crane/Scarecrow - Batman Begins
- Harvey Dent/Two-Face - TDK
- The Joker - TDK
So...they have a lot to play with. These are the ones I'd like to see come forward and be used:
- Oswald Cobblepot/Penguin
- Edward Nygma/Riddler
- Selina Kyle/ Catwoman
- Dr. Kirk Langstrom/Man-Bat
- Jervis Tetch/ The Mad Hatter
I have no idea...so I'm not holding my breath on the list above. I was just pointing out those are the ones I'd like to see. But I'm still interested in my romantic movie plot about Myself and Oswald.
Hello Gotham. I'm Erin. Ozzy Cobblepot's Biggest Fan. Love you Pengy!
Betcha never, betcha never, betcha never thought we'd get this far.
Betcha never, never ever, betcha never thought you'd touch my heart.
Betcha never, betcha never, betcha never thought I'd surrender.
Betcha never thought you'd ever get with me.
I betcha never thought of that.
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Posted on 31-05-2009 19:50
Posts: 2061 Location: Gotham City Joined: 30.07.05
nolan wants to use unknowns? well he kinda did in batman begins; no one really knows ra's outside of the comic book fan community. i guess he could use deadshot or black mask. those are the only two i can think of right now that suits nolan, aren't well known, and havent been in any movies yet.
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Yeah, I'm crossing my fingers for Black Mask. I think Nolan would make him pretty interesting, and Black Mask isn't that unrealistic of a character as far as Batman villains go. The Riddler would be interesting too, I suppose.
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Posted on 01-06-2009 20:57
Here are some bios I wrote for other villains on another site. I am glad people like my idea for Man-Bat.
And by the way, I think Johnny Depp would be fantastic for Joker. I mean, in my selection, he wouldn't be featured that much in the film, maybe just the side or something to make you believe it is Heath, they could do some slight CGI in the face. I have also thought of Depp playing as Joker, in a script I wrote for fun, Joker had broken out of Arkham (from Bane destroying parts of the Asylum) when Bruce was on a vacation in Europe planting a new Wayne Enterprises (secretly looking for the rumored returned Ra's Al Ghul). And then he wears the Joker clown mask, then gets killed by the SWAT at a random break-in.
My Batman 3 happens two years after The Dark Knight.
*I already stated Bruce Wayne was on vacation, but he was obviously on a vacation for two years...
RIDDLER
Edward Nigma was on vacation in Europe when he crossed Bruce Wayne, also on vacation establishing a new Wayne Tower for Wayne Enterprises (secretly searching for the still rumored to be alive, Ra's Al Ghul and the League of Shadows). Edward Nigma, now on the most wanted list after working as a hitman for the mob, leaves to Gotham City where he would restart his life as a detective for GCPD. He would also change his name to Edward Nashton. When Edward is heard to be one of the top detectives in the force, he is asked and hired by Gotham Globe writer, Vicki Vale, to help her do research on an article... Who is the Batman?
Edward suddenly splits into two personalities, one Riddler and the other one just the GCPD detective. Riddler is obsessed with Edward Nashton but can not find him! He starts to become Obsessive Compulsive and starts to send strange clues and randsom letters which are cut up newspapers to GCPD asking for Edward Nashton. Finally, Batman figures out the biggest mystery of Gotham City, who is the Riddler?
TWO-FACE (I don't want him in the film, but if fans argue to the point of death threats or something simulair....)
Harvey Dent/Two-Face was left for dead when police later took him to a mourge. That mourge was broken into and partly destroyed, twenty doctors in the mourge were killed... The League of Shadows had returned. Ra's Al Ghul walked into the mourge and stole the body of the disfigured Harvey Dent. Ra's Al Ghul brought him to the League of Shadows base in the mountains where he placed him in the Lazarus Pits. Harvey Dent once again blinked... Took a breath... But just as Ra's Al Ghul expected, Harvey couldn't remember anything from his past. All Harvey-- Two-Face knew was that he wanted vengence. He also knew that Harvey Dent never truly exsisted. Two-Face left the mountains as Ra's Al Ghul told him to do and went into the Gotham Underworld where he became feared. This is also where the legend of the return of Ra's Al Ghul began. Two-Face started deals with Rupert Thorne and Oswald Cobblepot for money... Money that Harv-- Two-Face didn't even need. Because Two-Face had the same thing in mind as the Joker, send the message. What is the message? Gotham City is corrupt. Two-Face stays in the dark sides of Gotham with the rest of the Underworld where Batman fights him and sometimes interogates him from time to time. But how does Batman know how Two-Face is living? Batman also heard about the return of Ra's Al Ghul...
BLACK MASK
Roman Sionis was the thirty five year old orphan of the wealthy Sionis family, who are known as a mob legend to the Gotham City Underworld. After five years of detective work, Jim Gordon and Harvey Bullock traced Roman to his average day clean house near the center of Gotham City. When Roman would not come out of the house as ordered to by police, Bullock shot at a pipe to scare Roman but the pipe was actually full of gas. The gas spilled out at the same time inside, Roman threatend to torch himself and the evidence against him. The gas flooded the inside of the house and soon caught fire after going near Roman's match. Police had no idea what was happening inside while Roman's face was burning up into a Two-Face type of monsterous mess. Roman escaped out of the back. Before this, Roman Sionis was known as the Black Mask for robbing banks with his gang while wearing his black skull mask. Now, Roman is on the run from police and has reason to take revenge on detective Harvey Bullock. With no edvidence of Roman's existance, Black Mask is all that is left and Black Mask will create one heck of a reputation... Nobody knows why he does what he does... Batman can't track him down... Police don't know who to blame...
Secretly, Roman uses the money to give to other crime bosses such as Rupert Thorne and Sal Maroni in exchange for protection from the police due to his family's history with the mob. Bruce Wayne decides to go over the Black Mask case slowly were he figures out that Black Mask isn't to diffrent from himself... And in a fight after Black Mask threatens to throw himself over the edge of a building, Batman tells Black Mask who he is... And why it is that he does what he does... Black Mask sends the message Joker had been trying to tell Gotham and jumps. (He wouldn't HAVE to jump, just something I wrote to finish the bio)
JOKER
The Joker has escaped from Arkham Asylum after a recent terrorist attack in the Asylum by Bane. Joker ran off to Gotham and cleaned off the make-up. Joker was later shot down by GCPD SWAT members in a random attempt to rob from Gotham Central Bank. How come Batman was never involved with Joker later on? While the small attacks by the Joker were going on in Gotham City, Batman was on the run from the police but was actually living as Bruce Wayne at Wayne Manor II, advancing the Cave and rebuilding his collection of technology as well as searching for Ra's Al Ghul...
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