| Dick Grayson as Robin: The Modern Era -
Posted on 16-11-2008 10:14 |
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Something that's always bugged me about the Modern Era is that there aren't enough graphic novels or other publications that feature Dick Grayson as Robin. Now, I do prefer Tim Drake as Robin and Dick as Nightwing, but I just feel that writers miss out on the opportunity to expand on the classic Batman & Robin partnership - not to mention Dick's development as possibly the most universally renowned hero in the DCU.
We had plenty of years with Dick as Robin, yes. However, we all know that the Modern Era is a lot more complex than the Gold, Silver, and Bronze Ages. Why has nobody seized this opportunity to bring us some updated material on the original Dynamic Duo? If you look at it, Robin I doesn't appear much in the Modern Era whatsoever...
- Dark Victory
- The Gauntlet
- Turning Points
- Robin: Year One
- Fortunate Son
- Full Circle
- Nightwing: Year One
Why the hell is this? I for one want to see more. Original graphic novels only though, I can't be 'bothered' collecting monthlies.
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Posted on 16-11-2008 14:34 |
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All-Star Batman & Robin reinvents it. Dark Victory also retold the story of Dick Grayson. But the main reason why there's no other Robin I stories? Dick's already been established as Nightwing so it wouldn't make sense.
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Posted on 16-11-2008 21:35 |
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I do agree there should be more graphic novels and such that go more into Dick's time as Robin. As great as he is in the role of Nightwing, his time as Robin is still important, and definitely something to be explored.
As much as I personally don't like Frank Miller's work or the direction he's leading All-Star into (AKA, The "Dark Knight Returns/Strikes Back" books), I like the All-Stars themselves. Though I think it's because it's actually some spotlight for Robin I, not so much because I like the writing. |
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| RE: Dick Grayson as Robin: The Modern Era -
Posted on 17-11-2008 09:09 |
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I actually like ASBAR. It makes a lot more sense than any other Batman comic because Batman would have to be insane to do what he does.
Still though, I wanna see the DCU Dick Grayson as Robin, not the DKU Grayson.
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Posted on 17-11-2008 10:56 |
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Mittens2317 wrote:
I actually like ASBAR. It makes a lot more sense than any other Batman comic because Batman would have to be insane to do what he does.
Still though, I wanna see the DCU Dick Grayson as Robin, not the DKU Grayson.
Why do you have to be insane to be a good person?
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Posted on 17-11-2008 11:43 |
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A good person? I think most of you miss the whole point of Batman. He is there to stop criminals and scare them into retiring from their night-jobs.
Batman is great at what he does, yes, and is doing things for the greater good, but his methods and the way he goes about his life make him anything but a good person. Bruce Wayne is essentially a mentally disturbed and clinically insane detective living a lie.
I could write a whole article on his psyche and how, put into a real world context, Batman is no saner than those in his rogue gallery. As Frank Miller wrote "Of course [they're] criminals. [They've] always been criminals. [They] have to be criminals".
You can dress the characters up with fancy names of 'superhero' or 'protector' or whatever, but they are still essentially vigilantes operating outside of the law. That makes them criminals. And they do it in costumes. Would any sane person on the planet do that? That's a rhetorical question, by the way. And yes, you have the 'fiction' thing to come back at me with, but taking the complexity of the modern age of comic books into consideration, and that isn't an excuse.
Bruce Wayne is insane. End of. That makes Miller's Batman the most brutally honest version of what a man dressed up as a bat would truly be like.
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Posted on 17-11-2008 13:04 |
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That's your view dude... But I think you need a wake up call to see that other portrayal are not only possible, but very deep and psychologically interesting.
MY version of Batman (Also Dini, Loeb, and Nolan's view) is man who doesn't like the world around him, so he uses his will and determination to change it. Of course since he dealing with crime and the extremes of human violence he himself need to use extreme measures (hense dressing like a bat). I personally think it's a bit of a cop out to "he's crazy because he dresses like a bat" rather than actually exploring he methodology.
HOWEVER, Batman has existed almost 70 years and has been written by litteraly hundreds of writers, to say my version is better your's, or vice versa, is ignorant of the wide expanse of varrying interpretations that have been created in his long history.
In other words, YOUR BATMAN IS NOT THE DIFFINITIVE BATMAN, END OF STORY
Now let's get back on topic.
Never start with the head; the victim gets all fuzzy!
R.I.P. Heath
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Posted on 17-11-2008 13:18 |
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Mittens2317
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I'm saying about a Batman in an 'our world' context. Either way, who cares? There are different versions of Batman, which makes it all the more fun to read.
Anyway... can anyone recommend any good Batman stories with Robin I in it that aren't any of the following?:
- All-Star Batman & Robin
- Blind Rage of the Ten-Eyed Man
- Commissioner Gordon Walks a Beat
- Dark Victory
- Fortunate Son
- Full Circle
- The Gauntlet
- The Man Who Would Be Clay
- The Man With Ten Eyes
- Nightwing: Year One
- The Penny Plunderers
- Robin: Year One
- Robin Dies at Dawn
- Turning Points
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Posted on 18-11-2008 12:07 |
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Pick up the showcase archived robin stories they are available at booksamillion although some of them are not considered canon anymore.
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Posted on 18-11-2008 16:05 |
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boywonder93 wrote:
Pick up the showcase archived robin stories they are available at booksamillion although some of them are not considered canon anymore.
Those aren't modern era stories
Never start with the head; the victim gets all fuzzy!
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Posted on 19-11-2008 03:38 |
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I'm with Mittens on this one. It's not about what Batman's like, or who's version is the "correct" version. It's about what would, in OUR actual universe, make the most sense. And dressing like a bat to take the law in your own hands, no matter how justified or honorable it may be, is something only a crazy person would do. That doesn't mean Batman's a bad person, or whatever, it just means in the real world he wouldn't be as sane as "your" Batman is in his fictional world.
Anyway, back on topic, I'm seconding this. I'd really like to read up more on Robin I, and I share the disappointment that there isn't much of it. I was probably eventually going to start a topic like this too. And I own the Robin Showcase, it's a decent read, but it's not in the modern timeline, and it's very....not deep, like the more current continuity is.
Actual quote:
Bruce: I'm the BATMAN! I want to help you get those killers! But you CAN'T go to the police! Come with me and I'll tell you why! I have a SPECIAL interest in you...Because my parents, too, were killed by a criminal! That's why I dedicated my life to fighting crime!
Dick: I'd like to do the same! Give me a chance to avenge my parents!
Bruce: Okay, Dick! I'll give you a chance! Come with me!
....Yeeeeeaaaahhhh. Most modern comics go a lot deeper than that, lol. |
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Posted on 19-11-2008 06:47 |
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I've found one more. A 'Legends of the Dark Knight' arc, 'Grimm'. Oh, and btw, I don't mind old(ish) stories that could sorta be passed off as modern era (but none of that "golly Batman" ish)
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Posted on 19-11-2008 12:33 |
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Yeah i dont like those golly batman stories either. The ones i was talkin about are from dick grayson's time at hudson university.
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| RE: Dick Grayson as Robin: The Modern Era -
Posted on 05-01-2009 18:17 |
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I really want to see Robin (Dick) in canon stories. I mean they never really did Year One Clayface did they? I mean the 40's Clayface cuz the new ones suck. Robin could be in that. I hope Confidential makes more Grayson/Robin stories |
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