| Non Batman fans?! BEWARE! -
Posted on 15-08-2008 19:13 |
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I am seeing more people that claim to know everything about Batman but don't even know who Richard Grayson or Jim Gordon are. They make fun of Batman and love The Dark Knight. They are most of the times in grades 5-7. I dont want to sound rude but I know so much more about Batman that I feel like I own him and the Non Batman fans talks over and over about TDK. Anyways do you know what I am talking about? They call Mr. Freeze Iceman by the way, this sounds so geeky.
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Posted on 15-08-2008 20:59 |
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TMMWrites wrote:
I am seeing more people that claim to know everything about Batman but don't even know who Richard Grayson or Jim Gordon are. They make fun of Batman and love The Dark Knight. They are most of the times in grades 5-7. I dont want to sound rude but I know so much more about Batman that I feel like I own him and the Non Batman fans talks over and over about TDK. Anyways do you know what I am talking about? They call Mr. Freeze Iceman by the way, this sounds so geeky.
It's funny you mention this because it's not just kids in 5th through 7th grade. There are people, age 25-26, who think they know what's right and wrong.
I had a "discussion" with a friend who claimed she hated Nolan's Batman because the movies were boring and changed the history of the character.
She believed that Burton's Batman was more true to the comics; that the Joker was responsible for Bruce's parents' death and that Batman kills. She felt Burton was the one who got it right. She had never heard of the Killing Joke and refused to accept it as an origin story for the Joker.
Let's just say our discussion got very heated, lol.
However, what's wrong with people talking about The Dark Knight over and over? Isn't that a good thing? I think the movie is doing its part by getting non-fans interested in the character. There is no "definitive" type of fan. I don't like to believe that because you're segregating everyone who you feel don't know as much as you do. That's the problem I have with the people on Superhero Hype. People constantly bash someone for no reason.
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Posted on 15-08-2008 22:44 |
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There are people who believe what happened in the Batman movies to be part of the comic books, but we know that is not the case.
Burton did not follow the origins the way they were in the comic books. We know that nobody really knows who The Joker was or is and that he did not kill the Wayne’s. We know that Nolan’s vision of Batman is the most accurate and the most realistic interpretation, but the Burton fans will tell you otherwise.
A true Batman fan can tell you how a many Robin’s there have been and who killed two of them, while the casual fan cannot.
That does not make them wrong, just not educated in all things Batman. That’s where people like us come in. People who can set things straight and maybe pass on a little bit of our enthusiasm for Batman onto others.
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Posted on 15-08-2008 23:18 |
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But couldn't they still be considered fans even if they don't follow the comics? Is it necessary for them to read them to be a fan?
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Posted on 16-08-2008 06:48 |
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Yes. Because you all all type of fans. You have Movie Fans. Comic Fans. Figure Fans, ect..
My wife works with a lady who "LOVE BATMAN." yet she argued with my wife saying that the TDK was coming out in May (This was in April sometime)
So she's a fan, but not one that knows everything. And IF they want to aruge, then say ok. Here's the proff, and send them to batmanytb.com We've got all the proof they need!
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Posted on 16-08-2008 07:00 |
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Hahaha, Chris. Plugging YTB in an argument is probably the most valid point in the whole conversation.
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Posted on 16-08-2008 08:16 |
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I would say you don't have to be a fan of the comics to be a fan of Batman. I know 'fan' is short for fanatics, but it just varies on how fanatical some people are. It's the same for almost any iconic character or franchise. How many people do you think have watched Silence Of The Lambs but never read the novels? It doesn't mean they're not fans of the characters Thomas Harris created, they just might not be huge fans. (To be fair though the popularity of the movie lead to the less than brilliant Hannibal novel and film of the same name, and the less said about the prequel and the attempts to make Hannibal a hero the better...)
Bare in mind we live in an era when a large number, if not the majority, of people prefer not to read books. If they read, it's online. Is it any surprise then that some fans may prefer seeing the tales of The Batman in film and animation as opposed to reading them?
Personally I'm just bemused that the same people who mocked me for being a 'comic book nerd' years ago are now praising Iron Man, TDK and such.
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Posted on 16-08-2008 09:39 |
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kpangilinan wrote:
But couldn't they still be considered fans even if they don't follow the comics? Is it necessary for them to read them to be a fan?
Yes of course. Only the variables between Comic Books, TV and Film incarnations of Batman is a little like the DC Multiverse. It depends which Earth you are on if you're right or not.
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Posted on 16-08-2008 13:24 |
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Yea, even when I was a kid. Thats why I said those ages and my little brother knows somebody as I do too. The little kid he knows makes fun of Batman and somebody I know said this when I was looking at a teen titans comic for fun-- Hey that looks like Blade from Teen Titans!"
I cant believe it. It was Teen Titans, It is Slade who he said wrong, and his name is Deathstroke!
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Posted on 16-08-2008 13:27 |
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I don't consider them fans. They ussualy don't know that Joker doesnt have a real name in the comics. I bet some of them were suprissed that Joker was not called Jack Naiper in TDK!
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Posted on 16-08-2008 13:55 |
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That kind of disproves your point though. That'd imply they were fans of the Tim Burton films which were still based on the Batman comics, no matter how much was changed for the film.
In my opinion saying people who don't read the comics aren't fans is elitism, which from comic book fans is odd to me as I'm more used to us being the ones looked down upon.
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Posted on 16-08-2008 15:02 |
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Batkilt wrote:
That kind of disproves your point though. That'd imply they were fans of the Tim Burton films which were still based on the Batman comics, no matter how much was changed for the film.
In my opinion saying people who don't read the comics aren't fans is elitism, which from comic book fans is odd to me as I'm more used to us being the ones looked down upon. I didn't mean the comics I meant just all of the media updates, who the characters are, etc
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Posted on 16-08-2008 15:40 |
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I'm not trying to get into an argument with you but, to be honest, I'm not sure who it is you mean. Are you referring to people that have just went out to see The Dark Knight with no previous exposure to previous films, comics or TV series? |
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Posted on 16-08-2008 23:22 |
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I'm not sure I understand you either, TMM.
I think its unfair of you not to think of them as fans simply because they don't know as much as you do. That's a little arrogant of you to believe that.
There are all types of fans regardless how they got exposed to Batman. We understand you're a hardcore fan but that doesn't give you the right to think low of everyone else and insult what know or don't know.
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Posted on 17-08-2008 00:00 |
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DITTO, I really don;'t know why you would not consider them as fans! I have been a avid batman fan since the I was a kid. I would dart home from school and watch the 66' TV show and any batman shows up until now, I haven;t read any books, novels nor comicss. So does that makes me not a fan? I collect batmobiles. I have a been collecting it since I was in the 5th grade. I was born in 1964, so do the math, I collect what I want. and not all that is out there. What does that make me? It is unfair to judge those people like that. If you call yourself a true die hard hard core batman fan, I would belive Bruce Wayne would never judge the citix=zens of Gotham like you do.
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Anyone that firmly argues something yet knows so little of the topic, like Batman comics, is being downright foolish. But anyone who genuinely likes any form of Batman media is, in that respect, a Batman fan - maybe not as intensely as you or me but a fan nonetheless. I consider myself a Spider-Man fan but, aside from watching the cartoons and movies, I've only skimmed through Spidey comics and been told about the story arcs from actual readers, since I focus only on DC. I know much more about Spider-Man than the average person, but I'm still not a "big" fan.
As for The Dark Knight's popularity, I think it's awesome and want to see it rank higher and higher among the best grossing films. But I also have a tendency for a contrary feeling that I know many others have when it comes to their favorite hobby "genres." Old school Metallica fans, for instance, had a hard time seeing everyone else on the planet lapping up the Black Album, when the old school fans themselves had loved the band since its small venue infancy in the '80s. It's as though the band was an intimate part of them, and while it was nice to see Metallica's success, the widespread popularity has in a way taken that band away from the old fan. It's so big that it's no longer theirs; it's everyone's, and after seeing their little sisters, math teachers, and everyone else loving their band, they're forced to reevaluate what's "cool."
For me, that hasn't happened with TDK because I haven't seen everyone and their brother posing as Batman fans. It's just an ever-existent potential that I thought I'd point out.
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Posted on 17-08-2008 17:57 |
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Batman is a multi-faceted franchise that has spawned 70 years of comics,7 motion pictures, 2 movie serials, a hit TV show and 7 animated series... To say someone doesn't deserve to enjoy Batman just because they love one or two of these facets is just ignorant IMO.
Yes it's kinda annoying when someone who's clueless says there and expert... But it's just bullheaded elitism to say someone doesn't love something just because they know less about it then you.
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Posted on 17-08-2008 19:08 |
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i agree with everyone here, but i'm gonna have to say i'm leaning more towards tmmwrites. there are always gonna be people who take batman lightly, but even in The Batman, he's a deep character if you watch closely.
let's just say my definition of a batman fan is set at a high standard. even for some people over at SHH! it amazes me how these fans can hate so much about the things they're fans of. to me, when a so called fan says robin is worthless, it makes me wonder if they even know what they're talking about.
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Posted on 17-08-2008 20:59 |
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If Robin was so useless, he wouldn't have lasted from 1940 till Nightwing, had Batman Sans Robin attempted, a NEW Robin introduced, then killed off for another "Batman Solo" period, then a THIRD Robin brought in . . .
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Posted on 17-08-2008 22:09 |
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thank you! haha. and each robin brought something different to batman. i think batman learns from each of the robins more than the robins learn from batman. well, that might be a stretch, but you do see a growth in batman's character when a robin comes into place.
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