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Posted on 22-10-2006 15:48 |
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Razhwurz
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Yep, I imagine that Batman will end up like Bond. We'll be able to go back and watch Nolan or Burton films just like we can watch Sean Connery Bonds. Then we'll get some other products that are similar but differant like the Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan Bonds. We'll look back at B&R and say "Wow, that's crap" just like the Timothy Dalton Bonds.
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Posted on 23-10-2006 09:42 |
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The Timothy Dalton movies aren't that bad. There were a few Roger Moore ones that were really bad. A little too much of the weird stuff that was happening at the time leaked into the movie.
I like the idea of Batman having a different style over the years. That parallels along with the comics. Batman is such a long lasting character becuase of his adaptability. Do we like all the interpretations? No, but we are lucky to have a character that can be used in so many different genres.
By the way there are 10 Star Trek Films (old gen through next gen), not 9. Although, I would really like to forget Nemesis.
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Posted on 23-10-2006 12:42 |
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Yeah, I'd say if you want to compare B&R to a Bond film, it would have to be Moore's A View to a Kill. Christopher Walken was the only thing that saved that movie  I've only seen a couple of the Star Trek movies, but that does sound like a good way to go with Batman. |
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Posted on 23-10-2006 13:50 |
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I veer towards Razhwurz view on this > at the very least all the Bonds are watchable, but the ones I'd probably want to see last are the Daltons. I'm sure he's a lovely guy and all that, but his portrayal of James Bond just didn't really work for me.
I can't specificially recall View To A Kill (apart from the evil Duran Duran theme tune) but off the top of my head, Live & Let Die, Man With The Golden Gun, Spy Who Loved Me & For Your Eyes Only spring to mind as really good (Moore) 007s.
Octopusy and Moonraker are (I guess) the weirder ones that were talked of? But I've got no problem with either of them (although even by 007 standards Moonraker was far fetched)
And I completely agree with the following (I think it sums it up very nicely)...........
Darknight wrote:
Batman is such a long lasting character becuase of his adaptability. Do we like all the interpretations? No, but we are lucky to have a character that can be used in so many different genres.
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Posted on 23-10-2006 17:22 |
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I compare the Dalton movies to B&R because they're rather similar.
In B&R Batman lost every trait that made him Batman at the time. He became less inteligent, less physicaly capable, and less serious.
In the Dalton movies Band lost that souveness that makes Bond Bond. I admit that that won't bring down a film, but with sub par story and acting that really removes the saving grace that was in almost all Bond films.
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Posted on 24-10-2006 10:03 |
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real dark knight wrote:
I can't specificially recall View To A Kill (apart from the evil Duran Duran theme tune) but off the top of my head, Live & Let Die, Man With The Golden Gun, Spy Who Loved Me & For Your Eyes Only spring to mind as really good (Moore) 007s.
It wasn't horrible (as none of the Bond movies are really unwatchable), but it had more goofy moments than most others. The snowboarding-to-the-Beach-Boys scene was cringe worthy, and some of the gadgets were unnecessarily odd (like Q's robot dog). I liked the more serious tone Dalton brought to the role.
Back on subject, though. The 007 universe (with the exception of the upcoming Casino Royale) takes place in more or less the same time frame, as do most Batman comics. The ST movies more or less built off of what had come before with each movie, eventually passing the torch in Generations. If the movies went beyond 3 or 4 installments, which would you rather see with Batman? The same characters playing the role every time until they became too old for the roles (at which point they could end the particular series or move on with a Batman: Beyond type situation), or should they just rotate out the actors as needed? |
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Posted on 24-10-2006 10:56 |
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spencer1984 wrote:If the movies went beyond 3 or 4 installments, which would you rather see with Batman? The same characters playing the role every time until they became too old for the roles (at which point they could end the particular series or move on with a Batman: Beyond type situation), or should they just rotate out the actors as needed?
Good question. I would personally prefer that they rotate the actors and maintain "modern day" stories. I think that if you make too many movies the audience or the actor would tire of the role. Keeping it like the comics or the Bond movies in the time period of today would work best.
Thye could still make a Beyond or Dark Knight Returns movie, but just have it outside of the movie series. I think that Dark Knight would probably work better as an animated feature anyways.
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Posted on 24-10-2006 15:53 |
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That seems like the right way to look at this. Keeping Batman at relatively the same age and keeping it fresh by rotating actors, say, every three or so films, seems like the most likely scenario. Personally, if the stories stayed compelling, I'd love to see one actor maintain the role for several years and carry out a long story from origin to old age, but realistically, that's very unlikely to ever happen. Batman, as well as just about any other superhero, is aimed at children as well as adults, so carrying out a long story for more than a decade or so (in real time) probably wouldn't be of interest. It may work for a more adult franchise (the new Rocky is looking cool) but not for superheroes. Then again, we've never seen a superhero saga actually stay good for too long, so we don't know that for sure, but that's my two cents.
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| RE: Longevity of a Character Based Film Franchise -
Posted on 24-10-2006 17:22 |
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I think Batman should just keep going how it did in the ninties:
Director and actor get together and make series of films, then when the director gets tired they get a new one and replace the actor, and they change the asthetics and try to make as little referances to the past film as possible.
Of course any change of director brings tons of problems; most of the time they'd have differant opinions, so if they try to keep one continuity it would end up like in Forever when they have a huge, high tech city full of lights and neon replace a gothic dark crime ridden city.
Never start with the head; the victim gets all fuzzy!
R.I.P. Heath
Edited by Razhwurz on 24-10-2006 17:23 |
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