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batchat
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| Posted on 14-07-2006 21:39 |
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First, let me admit that I am a fan of the previous "Batman: The Animated Series".
I am curious about "The Batman" but am hesistant to give it a chance given its reputation for drastically altering the bulk of the series' characters.
My present question is this: How do the series creators intend to introduce Nightwing (as recently announced) given their recent introduction of Dick Grayson as Robin? To my knowledge, there was never a hero called Nightwing before Dick Grayson donned that mantle. Am I mistaken? Did a costumed crusader named Nightwing exist before Grayson?
I think that the introduction of Nightwing as a pre-existing hero is a poor decision. Dick Grayson takes the mantle of Nightwing to establish himself as a man and hero independent of Batman. To take the mantle of another hero is more akin to leaving one master for another than becoming one's own master.
Does anyone have any information on how Nightwing will be presented in this series? At the moment, the news of his impending introduction is disuading me from watching the show at all. Most of my knowledge of "The Batman" is based on interviews, articles, and fan opinions posted on the web, so feel free to correct any erroneous impressions that I may have received.
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Phil
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| Posted on 14-07-2006 23:45 |
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nightwing was originally a kryptonian superhero that superman told dick grayson about. which caused him to change from robin to nightwing. but i dont think that is the case with The Batman. i believe it will be a future episode. maybe we will see tim drake?
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FlaBat
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| Posted on 15-07-2006 08:45 |
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First of The Batman is not all bad, so you should have an open mind and give it a chance. Yes some of the characters have had some radical changes from the comics and BTAS days, but the show is still worthy of Batman and I think the new take on some of the characters is refreshing.
While some of the villains were changed the main heroes have stayed more in line with the source material. Batman, Alfed and Batgirl are relatively close to the originals. I think Robin and Nightwing will be too. Perhaps we?ll see Robin in season 4 and Nightwing in season 5, although it may never get to season 5. By season 4 it will have enough episodes for syndication and it may fold like JLU and Teen Titans did.
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Azrael24
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| Posted on 15-07-2006 13:40 |
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Rumours are that nightwing will be in a future episode along with another bat character (im guessing cassandra, oracle, huntress, or azarel!) like phil said |
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crisis
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| Posted on 15-07-2006 13:47 |
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maybe nightwing with jason or tim!
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batchat
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| Posted on 15-07-2006 19:59 |
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Phil wrote:
nightwing was originally a kryptonian superhero that superman told dick grayson about. which caused him to change from robin to nightwing.
Interesting. I find that idea acceptable 'storywise' because that hero never existed on Earth. Essentially, Grayson took a legend or symbol (Nightwing) and crafted his own heroic identity from it.
Also, this helps to explain why Supergirl and Power Girl are posing as Nightwing and Flamebird on Kandor. Thanks! B)
but i dont think that is the case with The Batman. i believe it will be a future episode. maybe we will see tim drake?
Thanks for the info. Perhaps I will give the show a chance to impress me...
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Nate
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| Posted on 15-07-2006 20:32 |
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Have you ever seen the show?
You don't get it, boy... this isn't a mudhole... it's an operating table.
(crack!)
And I'm the surgeon.
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batchat
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| Posted on 15-07-2006 21:09 |
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Nate wrote:
Have you ever seen the show?
No. I dislike the animation style and character designs.
I ESPECIALLY dislike what I have read and heard concerning drastic overhauls of existing characters. Why not create new characters instead of bastardizing existing characters? Even if the show is well-written (which I doubt), I will likely not enjoy it for this reason alone.
But perhaps I will give it a chance... I am a bit curious, and I don't typically judge a thing without first experiencing it. I asked the question about Nightwing because he was a favorite character in the previous B:TAS, and I was curious about how he will be handled in this incarnation of Batman.
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batchat
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| Posted on 15-07-2006 21:34 |
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A question: Would you say that 'The Batman' is darker and more serious than 'Batman Beyond'? I am a fan of BB and consider its theme and mood almost perfect... So how does TB compare? Are they similiar at all?
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Phil
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| Posted on 15-07-2006 23:51 |
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oh theyre not similar at all. batman beyond is the better show...i believe. they say that the new season of TB is gnna be more serious and dark, so who knows? maybe they will be on par by then.
but u dont like the animation style?? its so good. the animation is so fluid and everything moves smoothly; its great! i like the character designs too, but i can understand why u dont like that.
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Nate
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| Posted on 16-07-2006 00:14 |
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All I know is, expect something similar to TNBA
You don't get it, boy... this isn't a mudhole... it's an operating table.
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Etrigan
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| Posted on 16-07-2006 09:00 |
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The character overhauls are a good thing.
The Riddler in particular looks awesome compared to the original design, and I like the way how the Joker looks too, he moves and acts a lot more deranged, almost animalistic. Mr Freeze hasn't benefitted much from his new back story, and Firefly doesn't even have flamethrowers now bizarrely.
The animation is very smooth, and the fight scenes are a lot better coreographed than TAS, where the old Batman would merely punch a thug, The Batman will deliver a series of martial arts moves.
It is very good, particularly the feature length movie The Batman Vs. Dracula, which is a lot darker than the series. Check it out. |
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batchat
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Phil wrote:
but u dont like the animation style?? its so good. the animation is so fluid and everything moves smoothly; its great! i like the character designs too, but i can understand why u dont like that.
I haven't seen the animation "in action". I've seen promo shots and stills. I don't care for the new character designs, but I might be swayed when I see them in action...
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All I know is, expect something similar to TNBA
TNBA is Volume 4 of B:TAS, right? I enjoyed TNBA (though I would have preferred more two-parters and a slightly more serious mood).
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The character overhauls are a good thing. The Riddler in particular looks awesome compared to the original design, and I like the way how the Joker looks too, he moves and acts a lot more deranged, almost animalistic. Mr Freeze hasn't benefitted much from his new back story, and Firefly doesn't even have flamethrowers now bizarrely.
I don't care for the new character designs.
The animation is very smooth, and the fight scenes are a lot better coreographed than TAS, where the old Batman would merely punch a thug, The Batman will deliver a series of martial arts moves.
It is very good, particularly the feature length movie The Batman Vs. Dracula, which is a lot darker than the series. Check it out.
That sounds interesting. If I can rent TBVD locally, I think that I will watch the film as an introduction to TB.
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| Posted on 16-07-2006 22:35 |
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The Batman Vs. Dracula is a good movie. I rate the Animated movies like this:
Mask Of The Phantasm
BB: Return Of THe Joker
The Batman Vs. Dracula
Subzero
Mystery of The Batwoman
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Hey batchat, you really need to check out the show (The Batman) before you make your decision. I know when I first saw some of the character designs I was disappointed but when I saw the show it was better than I thought it would be. While there are a few things about the show I?m not thrilled with, I have to say that it?s not bad and certainly worthy of Batman.
I would say that The Batman is as dark as Batman Beyond was, maybe even a bit darker because characters like The Joker look more demented than they did in Batman Beyond. They really are not the same. While Batman Beyond is not an Elseworlds storyline, it does not quite fit into regular Batman continuity. The Batman fits more in line with Batman?s continuity, but it?s still just a bit different than the comic books or BTAS. I too think Batman Beyond was better than The Batman, but I like them both.
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Nate
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Think of The Batman as Ultimate Batman. Like the Ultimate titles Marvel has.
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Etrigan
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| Posted on 17-07-2006 03:21 |
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Nate wrote:
Think of The Batman as Ultimate Batman. Like the Ultimate titles Marvel has.
That is about the best description of The Batman I have ever heard |
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Caleson
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FlaBat wrote:
I would say that The Batman is as dark as Batman Beyond was, maybe even a bit darker because characters like The Joker look more demented than they did in Batman Beyond. Well now, I wouldn't go that far. The Batman is enjoyable in its own way, but it's definitely a lighter and more kid friendly cartoon compared to most of what you'd find in the "Timmverse." You don't get blood or even the sight of conventional handguns in an episode of The Batman, and the fact that a Batman Beyond direct-to-video had to be vastly edited for violence and sexual reference might tell ya something. I certainly couldn't imagine the creators of The Batman considering the types of things seen in the Director's Cut.
In any case, I enjoy The Batman for what it is. There's been episodes that really didn't do much for me and other that I thought were great. As a Batman fan, there's certainly no reason not to give it a shot, batchat. You could be missing out on something great.
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crisis
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| Posted on 17-07-2006 14:23 |
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Caleson wrote:
FlaBat wrote:
I would say that The Batman is as dark as Batman Beyond was, maybe even a bit darker because characters like The Joker look more demented than they did in Batman Beyond. Well now, I wouldn't go that far. The Batman is enjoyable in its own way, but it's definitely a lighter and more kid friendly cartoon compared to most of what you'd find in the "Timmverse." You don't get blood or even the sight of conventional handguns in an episode of The Batman, and the fact that a Batman Beyond direct-to-video had to be vastly edited for violence and sexual reference might tell ya something. I certainly couldn't imagine the creators of The Batman considering the types of things seen in the Director's Cut.
In any case, I enjoy The Batman for what it is. There's been episodes that really didn't do much for me and other that I thought were great. As a Batman fan, there's certainly no reason not to give it a shot, batchat. You could be missing out on something great.
i know! i have the uncut version of batman beyond :rotj! its so much better!
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FlaBat
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| Posted on 17-07-2006 22:40 |
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Caleson wrote:
Well now, I wouldn't go that far. The Batman is enjoyable in its own way, but it's definitely a lighter and more kid friendly cartoon compared to most of what you'd find in the "Timmverse." You don't get blood or even the sight of conventional handguns in an episode of The Batman, and the fact that a Batman Beyond direct-to-video had to be vastly edited for violence and sexual reference might tell ya something. I certainly couldn't imagine the creators of The Batman considering the types of things seen in the Director's Cut.
OK, sometimes Batman Beyond was darker, especially in the case of ROTJ. In the Timmverse there was some violence, but it was still a kids show and there were certain things they could not do. The same is true for The Batman except that now they are even more PC sometimes, like using those stupid unrealistic guns they use.
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