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kpangilinan
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Since Brave and the Bold premiered, people seemed to respond positively towards it.
When The Batman premiered, people hated it.
I'm wondering what people liked in Brave & the Bold that they didn't like in The Batman.
Was it the storytelling? Is it because its lighthearted?
I'm not defending either show, I'm just curious about how people responded to both shows.
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| Posted on 05-01-2009 16:23 |
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The Batman took itself too seriously, in a way. It was a kid's show that tried to be a serious Batman show, and ended up looking like it was trying too hard to be cool. Plus, it was the first solo Batman show since B:TAS/TNBA, a lot of people probably had high expectations. People knew/know what to expect from Batman: Brave and the Bold, because it fully embraces the fun side of Batman, and doesn't take itself so seriously. So people can easily accept it for what it is; a fun show.
Personally, I don't/didn't hate The Batman, I actually loved it during it's first season. Then again I was only around 14 or so. Now I can see why many people didn't like it. But I still think it had some great moments, especially in the last couple of seasons.
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JokerFC
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| Posted on 11-01-2009 09:09 |
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havent seen Brave and The Bold yet so Ill have to reserve Judgment.....but The Batman didnt really get me until Season 3.....hopefully the B & B wont take that long.
not that theres a on air ate for it here yet
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TheDarkTAysOn
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| Posted on 11-01-2009 17:10 |
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I was 14 when The Batman came out, and I loved it. Sure, it wasn't as good as TAS but it was a legit show. I recently just bought and watched all the seasons, and I think I like it more haha I guess the bad things people say about it dont bother me. The only problem I have with it was the cluemaster episode. THAT was bad. Wasn't really too fond of bane either, but whateves. Maybe I'm just too open minded.
I do think that its hard to compare the two shows. I mean theyre both two completely different takes on batman, and I think theyre both good. The batman was cool and brave and the bold is fun. |
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| Posted on 12-01-2009 15:30 |
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I never really could explain why I didn't like The Batman. I think that it began with the stark contrast of the serious storytelling with Batman and the random goofy things like the characterization of the Penguin in the few I watched. Granted it is almost impossible to write a good Penguin story, but that episode in particular comes to mind. I did check out the show towards the end when it became a team up of the week show. That was pretty fun.
The Batman in Brave and Bold is the closest to my ideal Batman that I have seen in a while. I'm a little behind in watching it, but I watched the Green Arrow episode last night and thought it was awesome. This Batman makes mistakes has some character flaws, but is still winning in the end.
Too often we get the Batman who knows what the villain is doing because he prepared for that to happen or it is what he would do. Is it so bad for Batman to slip on occasion?
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| Posted on 12-01-2009 22:59 |
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I think The Batman is better than Batman The Brave and the Bold in both the TV show and the Action Figures.
The Batman was an edgier show and was a decent cross between kid and adult content while Batman The Brave and the Bold is very firmly a kids show with campy dialogue. It will be interesting to see how long the show lasts compared to The Batman or even Batman The Animated Series. I only see it going two maybe three seasons.
(Note: The Batman and Batgirl unmasked figures I made, lower right)
The Batman action figures had more articulation and used accessories that the figures held rather than had snap into holes all over the body that the Batman The Brave and the Bold figures have. I can see the play value for kids with this Snap & Switch, Build Up! - Change Up! approach which allows any accessory to be easily attached any where on any figure, but I really hate the hex holes on the arms and legs. I also wish they used the same scale as The Batman, but the new Batman The Brave and the Bold are smaller, shorter and wider.
The Batman had a huge run of figures, vehicles, playsets and role play toys over a four year run (2004-2008) I hope that Batman The Brave and the Bold does as well. I especially want to see the new Batmobile and maybe have a Batcave and Atlantis too.
This is only most of The Batman figures up through the EXP series it does not include the larger EXP or the regular and deluxe Shadow Tek series of figures and vehicles. So you can see Batman The Brave and the Bold has it’s work cut out for it.
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kpangilinan
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| Posted on 13-01-2009 10:16 |
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You're just looking for any excuse to show off your figures, aren't you? lol.
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matt the bat webb
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| Posted on 13-01-2009 11:00 |
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I havent seen B&B yet but from the pics and trailers id say teh batman is my favoirte he was dark again the first few seasons which I really liked. once batgirl came before robin I was out like rims at a 50cent concert
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Chris
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| Posted on 13-01-2009 14:50 |
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To compare The Batman and Batman: The Brave & The Bold is to compare TAS with The Batman.
They are two different toons. Both are good in their own way.
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| Posted on 13-01-2009 16:53 |
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wow! thats quite the collection of the batman figures! i wish id had had a job when the series was airing so I could have bought some of them. Ive been looking through clearance sections of stores with no luck to see what I can find. I really wanted just the normal costume of batman, robin, jokerand the batmobile, but I can't find anything. Its a real shame. I won't make the same mistake with brave and the bold haha |
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FlaBat
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| Posted on 13-01-2009 22:23 |
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kpangilinan wrote:
You're just looking for any excuse to show off your figures, aren't you? lol.
BUSTED!
Although I thought I made some good points too.
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| Posted on 14-01-2009 17:17 |
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I actually loved the batman but like some other ppl who posted I was a lot younger than most of you guys when The Batman came out I was only ten or eleven.There was a few things I didn't like about the batman though: I didn't like how they changed the Joker and I didn't like that they introduced batgirl before robin also I didn't like the animation that much... I also love the brave and the bold because it takes a different approach to batman that we haven't seen in a long time.
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riskproductions
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| Posted on 23-01-2009 10:47 |
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I enjoyed The Batman, but I have to admit I missed the last 2 seasons I think. I wasn't a huge fan of Batgirl or especially The Justice League inclusion. I'm all for both of these things, but I hate to see them ALWAYS added to Bat toons, its like a crutch because they dont think Batman can run his own show. Thats why I LOVED TAS, because they never found it necessary to start randomly adding other heroes like the JL in order to gain an audience. I love the JL, but everyone deserves their own show IMO. Even with the JL cartoon, they had to start adding even more heroes to make JLU, again I feel it was just a scheme to try and grab more of an audience. And when I heard The Batman was doing this, I gave up. I do credit the show though by actually using all of Batman's villains. Thats why JL and JLU never stepped into greatness, there wasn;t enough Bat rogues. Now I've only seen one episode now of Brave and the Bold, but it wasn't bad simply b/c they are trying to be funny with it. Though I still don't understand why they arent using the Batman rogues yet, never will.
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| Posted on 23-01-2009 11:00 |
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I think Justice League had some limitations from DC to use all the villains. I faintly remember watching interviews on DVD with Bruce Timm where he stated they needed permission to use certain characters. Teen Titans and The Batman were airing the same time as JL, so the bat-embargo was implemented.
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riskproductions
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| Posted on 23-01-2009 12:15 |
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Yeah, I remember that, I know they would've if they could I dont blame them, but I do blame the bigwigs at WB fpr having a "Bat embargo" in the first place. I dont blame the creative people behind it. But still, I would be lying to say it didnt hamper my enjoyment of it. I dont see why they wouldnt use the Bat rogues in Brave and the Bold though, some of the classic characters would fit right in to their design of the show i think
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| Posted on 23-01-2009 13:25 |
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There's this thing that almost every Batman writer mentions, and that is that one of the things that makes Batman great is the fact that he has arguably the greatest villains in comic book history. That's one of the things that made BTAS so great, they really played it to the villains.
And that's kinda what made TB weak to me, they tried to play it to the villains; but they tried too hard to reinvent them into things they weren't. And sure, BTAS reinvented villains, but they really just added substance to the characters. Where as TB tried to entirely reinvent characters (I.E. Bane being a huge mutant thing rather than a muscle man in a mask)
And I think the writers recognize that the villains sort of brought TB down, but instead of doing what they should do-- paying respect to the characters histories and putting something on screen that, while reinvented, still resembles the characters we all grew up with-- they are completely abandoning Batman villains all together..
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FlaBat
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| Posted on 23-01-2009 22:43 |
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BTAS created all new villains like Harley Quinn that have become mainstays in other versions of Batman like the comic books. The Batman reinvented most of the villains and some were good and some not so good. I still think The Batman was better than Batman The Brave and the Bold, but I admit the new show is growing on me.
What I wonder is how long to they wait before adding some more recognizable villains like The Joker, Penguin, Riddler and such. If we see Batman The Brave and the Bold runs three or four seasons will we see Robin or Batgirl added.
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matt the bat webb
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| Posted on 24-01-2009 02:02 |
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ya know id really hope not. as much as I like charicters like robin, it would really just make it a cartoon version of the adam west batman show at that point in my eyes.
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| Posted on 26-01-2009 18:25 |
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FLABATMAN do you have a pic of the superman figure from Shadow Tek Batman series?.... I'd like to see one if you do to see if I'd like to purchase it..I looked on ebay but the pics are all pretty bad quality haha....
I haven't seen the brave and the bold but if its supposed to be similar to the old cartoons style like back in the 60's 70's or even if its just trying to spoof it..I think that would be fun to see I loved those shows as a kid when i saw them on reruns.
Speaking of the old series.. anyone know how many episodes there were with batman meets scooby doo? I have the dvd i think its like 2 or 3 eps in that..but I was wondering if there were more..I checked on imdb didnt find anything..and yes i realize taht site isnt always accurate..but not even a mention..i was shocked. |
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| Posted on 26-01-2009 19:40 |
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FlaBat wrote:
I think The Batman is better than Batman The Brave and the Bold in both the TV show and the Action Figures.
The Batman was an edgier show and was a decent cross between kid and adult content while Batman The Brave and the Bold is very firmly a kids show with campy dialogue. It will be interesting to see how long the show lasts compared to The Batman or even Batman The Animated Series. I only see it going two maybe three seasons.
(Note: The Batman and Batgirl unmasked figures I made, lower right)
The Batman action figures had more articulation and used accessories that the figures held rather than had snap into holes all over the body that the Batman The Brave and the Bold figures have. I can see the play value for kids with this Snap & Switch, Build Up! - Change Up! approach which allows any accessory to be easily attached any where on any figure, but I really hate the hex holes on the arms and legs. I also wish they used the same scale as The Batman, but the new Batman The Brave and the Bold are smaller, shorter and wider.
The Batman had a huge run of figures, vehicles, playsets and role play toys over a four year run (2004-2008) I hope that Batman The Brave and the Bold does as well. I especially want to see the new Batmobile and maybe have a Batcave and Atlantis too.
This is only most of The Batman figures up through the EXP series it does not include the larger EXP or the regular and deluxe Shadow Tek series of figures and vehicles. So you can see Batman The Brave and the Bold has it’s work cut out for it.
Whoa. I only have a total of 6 of those figures! How much did it cost???!!! Anyways, The Batman is much better. Brave and the Bold is for a younger audience.
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